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Why is the team losing?
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:16 pm
You have 3 guys averaging over 20 in Zion, Trey and CJ and they have 12 wins on the year. I'm not looking for more wins this season, but I'm curious how they start winning next season.
One obvious area of concern is the defense going from top 6 the last 2 seasons to 28th now. Is a healthy Herb and improved Missi enough to push that back to at least average?
One obvious area of concern is the defense going from top 6 the last 2 seasons to 28th now. Is a healthy Herb and improved Missi enough to push that back to at least average?
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:19 pm to TigerinATL
Defense, rebounding, and depth. We usually fight in games but come up short. On top if Zion playing limited minutes.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:30 pm to TigerinATL
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Is a healthy Herb and improved Missi enough to push that back to at least average?
It really depends on the jump missi takes, but you also had dyson and Nance last year who could switch 1-5
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:32 pm to TigerinATL
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One obvious area of concern is the defense going from top 6 the last 2 seasons to 28th now
Trading away DD sure didn’t help. Just gave away one of the best young defenders in the game. Also having no center won’t help.
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:33 pm to TigerinATL
The tank is on. They have to lose in order to win.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:41 pm to Townedrunkard
Dyson isn’t helping Atlanta win either. I said in another thread that he is becoming overrated. His offense hasn’t improved enough for him to be a winning player. If Herb wouldn’t be out for the year I don’t think anyone would notice he is gone.
Depth is the main issue right now. Jordan Hawkins being so bad is a huge story for this team. If he can’t be a rotation player that is going to leave a big void to fill. He played 18 min last night and scored 0 points while playing some very bad on ball defense.
The most amazing thing about Zion’s game last night was he played at least half of his minutes came where the other 4 guys on the court were Hawkins putting up 0 points, Boston, Green, and Karlo. Sometimes Reeves was in for Green. We can’t win with those guys playing such a big role and Zion only playing 28 min. I am encouraged because Zion and Trey look to be a formidable duo. In the last 9 games together they look to have a higher ceiling than BI and Zion ever did. I just wish they could play more together but Zion has to support the bench guys or we would get run out of the gym.
Depth is the main issue right now. Jordan Hawkins being so bad is a huge story for this team. If he can’t be a rotation player that is going to leave a big void to fill. He played 18 min last night and scored 0 points while playing some very bad on ball defense.
The most amazing thing about Zion’s game last night was he played at least half of his minutes came where the other 4 guys on the court were Hawkins putting up 0 points, Boston, Green, and Karlo. Sometimes Reeves was in for Green. We can’t win with those guys playing such a big role and Zion only playing 28 min. I am encouraged because Zion and Trey look to be a formidable duo. In the last 9 games together they look to have a higher ceiling than BI and Zion ever did. I just wish they could play more together but Zion has to support the bench guys or we would get run out of the gym.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
I really think Z, CJ, and Trey are all just good players on bad teams. I don’t think they are good players on good teams. We’ve got an empty calories stats issue going on right now.
Z is actually trying in his limited mins and limited games, but I don’t think he’s a winning player anymore in the modern game, unless surrounded by 4 consistent shooters. We’ve got 2 inconsistent shooters and half the time he’s not in the game with them. CJ is garbage when it counts and still has an alarmingly low basketball IQ (which will never change). Trey is inconsistent and relatively easy to shut down if he’s on the defensive gameplan.
I’m not sure how it changes. We probably need an alpha coach and for whoever we draft to be an alpha as well.
Having 1 Average Center might help too. Missi has hit a wall and we have no one behind him.
I think Griff, Graham, Swin and everyone else needs to go as well.
Whole program is infected with losers at the moment. Which is fine right now as we are fighting for draft positioning, but it is an issue moving forward.
Z is actually trying in his limited mins and limited games, but I don’t think he’s a winning player anymore in the modern game, unless surrounded by 4 consistent shooters. We’ve got 2 inconsistent shooters and half the time he’s not in the game with them. CJ is garbage when it counts and still has an alarmingly low basketball IQ (which will never change). Trey is inconsistent and relatively easy to shut down if he’s on the defensive gameplan.
I’m not sure how it changes. We probably need an alpha coach and for whoever we draft to be an alpha as well.
Having 1 Average Center might help too. Missi has hit a wall and we have no one behind him.
I think Griff, Graham, Swin and everyone else needs to go as well.
Whole program is infected with losers at the moment. Which is fine right now as we are fighting for draft positioning, but it is an issue moving forward.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:24 pm to 3PieceSpicy
We have no defense.
No herb, Dyson or naji. No viable offensive big man.
I think we need a PG and C.
Herb, Trey, Zion is a good trio to build around.
It is crazy to think that this team started the year with five dudes who could realistically score 20 ppg and we have 12 wins.
No herb, Dyson or naji. No viable offensive big man.
I think we need a PG and C.
Herb, Trey, Zion is a good trio to build around.
It is crazy to think that this team started the year with five dudes who could realistically score 20 ppg and we have 12 wins.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:57 pm to ThePistol
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am encouraged because Zion and Trey look to be a formidable duo. In the last 9 games together they look to have a higher ceiling than BI and Zion ever did.
BI and Zion actually had us ranked #1 in the Western conference. Pump the brakes.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 4:00 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Z is actually trying in his limited mins and limited games, but I don’t think he’s a winning player anymore in the modern game, unless surrounded by 4 consistent shooters.
This is the part I've been harping on and nauseum. People don't want to hear it, but Zion is a very unbalanced player, which makes it very difficult to fit pieces around him. Super Tyreke.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 4:10 pm to TigerinATL
1st and 2nd quarter the team is amazing
3rd quarter the game slips away offensively the shots don’t fall it’s all half court perimeter 3pts of the pick
4th quarter they fighting going back and forth
Last 2 minutes 3pts shooting is bad again and take the L
3rd quarter the game slips away offensively the shots don’t fall it’s all half court perimeter 3pts of the pick
4th quarter they fighting going back and forth
Last 2 minutes 3pts shooting is bad again and take the L
Posted on 2/9/25 at 4:48 pm to TigerinATL
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You have 3 guys averaging over 20 in Zion, Trey and CJ and they have 12 wins on the year. I'm not looking for more wins this season, but I'm curious how they start winning next season.
One obvious area of concern is the defense going from top 6 the last 2 seasons to 28th now. Is a healthy Herb and improved Missi enough to push that back to at least average?
This team is meant to have Herb and Dejounte at the point of attack. It's built to turn teams over and then run.
In his whole career, CJ has never been better than an average defender, and now his defense is getting a lot worse as his quickness declines. If Dejounte hadn't torn his ACL, I'm confident that CJ would be off the team by next season (he'd have either been traded last week, or this summer).
And, as has already been mentioned by others, MIssi is still learning the game and Hawk's defense is terrible.
So, yeah, Griff constructed this year's team around the concept of having the league's best starting perimeter defense in Herb and Dejounte, and the defense from that duo looked great in the few games we got to see them start together. With both of them gone, the defense is terrible.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 4:49 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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People don't want to hear it, but Zion is a very unbalanced player, which makes it very difficult to fit pieces around him. Super Tyreke.
Good thing that Trey is a perfect fit.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 4:55 pm to TigerinATL
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Why is the team losing?
Willie Green is still our coach. Defense is an effort thing. We’re 12-39 and our coach is a DMW on top of being terrible.
We don’t have any closers yet. Zion isn’t consistently on the floor. TM3 is just figuring a lot of stuff out. CJ hasn’t been able to hit clutch shots in the final 2 mins his entire time here.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 5:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Good thing that Trey is a perfect fit.
Okay, that makes one. Now, about the other 8 rotation players...
Posted on 2/9/25 at 5:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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This is the part I've been harping on and nauseum. People don't want to hear it, but Zion is a very unbalanced player, which makes it very difficult to fit pieces around him. Super Tyreke.
So is Giannis and the Bucks won a championship with him. Harder to build around a non-shooting super star, but obviously can be done with right vision and coaching. And Z has to stay healthy.
If Pels get Flagg, I might be tempted to move on from Z. Otherwise I'm giving him at least one more season to show he can last on the floor...
Posted on 2/9/25 at 5:40 pm to ThePistol
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Dyson isn’t helping Atlanta win either
They have a higher win percentage than last year with their 2nd best player out…
Posted on 2/9/25 at 5:55 pm to Townedrunkard
They ate 25-28 right now and they were 24-29 at this time last year with injuries as well. Soooo....
Posted on 2/9/25 at 7:24 pm to Townedrunkard
Their BEST player has played 49 games this year and 54 all last year. What is your point? Dyson isn’t helping them win and he sure as hell wouldn’t be helping us.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 8:20 pm to ThePistol
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What is your point? Dyson isn’t helping them win and he sure as hell wouldn’t be helping us.
There is no point. Hawks are winning about the same rate as last year.
We added Murray and winning less than last year but flushed two firsts to do it.
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