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“America is a country of immigrants” when does it stop?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:04 am
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:04 am
We are all familiar with the rhetoric “America is a country of immigrants” “we are all immigrants from somewhere”
When/where was the line drawn?
I’m an American, born on this soil and I serve this country with my career every day.
Were we, at one point, immigrants? Yea, so was every country at some point.
But my blood (we traced it) goes back to pre civil-war Americans.
What’s your push back on the leftist “we’re all immigrants” BS?
When are Americans actual Americans?
When/where was the line drawn?
I’m an American, born on this soil and I serve this country with my career every day.
Were we, at one point, immigrants? Yea, so was every country at some point.
But my blood (we traced it) goes back to pre civil-war Americans.
What’s your push back on the leftist “we’re all immigrants” BS?
When are Americans actual Americans?
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:06 am to 225bred
Before Europeans came would be a good place to start.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:09 am to 225bred
Well see, the issue is we are genuinely a country of immigrants, legal immigrants. Read up on Reagan and how horrifically he damaged the country regarding immigration. There's between 30 and 45 million illegals in this country right now, and it is largely based on his policies.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:10 am to 225bred
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This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 12:18 am
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:14 am to TheBoo
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Before Europeans came would be a good place to start.
So the people here before Europeans just sprouted out of the ground? They didn't migrate here?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:17 am to Nurbis
The Redman crossed by way of the Bering strait ice bridge
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:29 am to 225bred
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When are Americans actual Americans?
When a naturalized Indian uses a gun to defend his gas station against thugs trying to rob his gas station.
When a Vietnamese woman defends her nail salon from rioters.
When an African can come to the US and build an empire that includes social media, electric vehicles, tunnel boring, internet by satellite, and electric vehicles.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:31 am to 10thyrsr
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:34 am to Tunasntigers92
American as frick
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:38 am to TheBoo
quote:hard disagree
Before Europeans came would be a good place to start.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:40 am to Nurbis
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So the people here before Europeans just sprouted out of the ground? They didn't migrate here?
Correct.
The savage native Americans didn’t spring from the seeds of American soil.
They had land and they lost.
America today is not an idea, it’s a homeland. It’s a real place, it’s people bound by common culture and ideals and language..
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:43 am to 225bred
Right! Before the European people came, native Americans didn't have horses. Horses allowed them to rape and pillage tribes beyond what they could do on foot!
European people make things more effective! People bitch about the outcome but refuse to give credit.
European people make things more effective! People bitch about the outcome but refuse to give credit.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:09 am to 225bred
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When are Americans actual Americans?
There’s an unspoken ethnic component to the American identity, I think all sides downplay it for practical reasons, because it’s a problem if you have large scale immigration.
But think about it
Is Valley Forge going to resonate with someone from Mumbai, or Aman? It’s someone else history, someone else’s story, someone else’s ancestors. What does Lewis and Clark mean to a Sudanese expat?
I think this is part of the reason you’ve seen the attacks on American historical figures and attempts to reset the idea of America to Ellis Island. This may disenfranchise us, but it changes the definition of America to incorporate everyone who came in the 20th century.
There’s a problem here though, or a warning at least, and it’s Canada. As Trudeau put it, they were going to be the first post national country. Ie, a country that would reject its past, and be completely defined by civic nationalism. The end result has been the collapse of the Canadian identity, and squabbling between the various ethnic groups they’ve imported.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:32 am to 225bred
America began when the Founders defined it via the ideas which formed our Constitutional Republic. An immigrant used to have to swear an Oath to those ideas, and to protect and promote them. To the degree that one does not believe in those “God-given inalienable Rights “ one may reside in America but one is truly not American. Many no more belive in the limitations imposed on Government via the Constitution, and seek “fundamental change” to a Democracy , and that is where we are, with many desperate immigrants assuming their role in what was formerly a competitive prosperous society that is fast moving toward insolvency and Democratic Socialism. World population is a very big part of our problem. That is likely to change as the current dysfunction grows and quality of life and personal freedoms (for those who enjoyed them) diminish. One thing is a given, massive and monumental change is coming soon.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:39 am to Tunasntigers92
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Well see, the issue is we are genuinely a country of immigrants, legal immigrants
my ancestors were settlers. there was no country to immigrate to at that time. just untamed land and a bunch of feral dirt worshiping savages.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:45 am to 225bred
We are a nation of settlers, not immigrants.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:17 am to TheBoo
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Before Europeans came would be a good place to start.
Why?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:27 am to 225bred
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When/where was the line drawn?
I think it used to be drawn when a person started believing in American ideals rather than those of whence they came.
It didn’t matter how many generations you were here, it was about bleeding red, white, and blue. I have some first generation Vietnamese friends who are every bit as “American” as someone whose family traces back to the revolutionary war.
In fact, if you’re a hard core commie leftist, they’re more American than you in one generation.
America, isn’t just a place it’s a belief system.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:57 am to TheBoo
quote:ah yes, the aboriginal migrants, aka prius migrare orientalem, aka populus sine rota.
Before Europeans came would be a good place to start.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 7:02 am to Tunasntigers92
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Read up on Reagan and how horrifically he damaged the country regarding immigration. There's between 30 and 45 million illegals in this country right now, and it is largely based on his policies.
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The Immigration Reform and Control Act legalized most undocumented immigrants who had arrived in the country prior to January 1, 1984. The act altered U.S. immigration law by making it illegal to knowingly hire undocumented immigrants, and establishing financial and other penalties for companies that employed undocumented immigrants.
Nearly three million people applied for legalization under the IRCA.[1] Through the update in the registry date along with the LAW and SAW programs enacted by IRCA, approximately 2.7 million people were ultimately approved for permanent residence.
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