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Grandson went to an outdoor range in Austin that prohibited full metal jacket
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:22 pm
He bought his pride and joy new to him one day ar-15 and went to a range to shoot and learn. The range told him he could not use 223 full metal jacket rounds. So he had to buy some hollow points at 35 dollars a box.
Question, what is the difference to the range as regards style of bullets
question, was he just getting ripped off.
happened Monday
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Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:26 pm to Trevaylin
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question, was he just getting ripped off.
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So he had to buy some hollow points at 35 dollars a box.
Sounds like it.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:31 pm to Trevaylin
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The range told him he could not use 223 full metal jacket rounds
I've seen ranges disallow some steel core, AP, and occasionally steel jacketed but never regular FMJ. Tell him to pick another range.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:37 pm to Clames
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I've seen ranges disallow some steel core
Green tips (steel core) aren't allowed at many ranges. It damages the steel armor at the back of most indoor ranges.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:40 pm to Trevaylin
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He bought his pride and joy new to him one day ar-15 and went to a range to shoot and learn. The range told him he could not use 223 full metal jacket rounds. So he had to buy some hollow points at 35 dollars a box.
"Thanks for the information, I'll be right back."
Drive to walmart.
Return to range.
"Okay, I got the right stuff."
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:42 pm to Trevaylin
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outdoor range in Austin that prohibited full metal jacket
Its surprising they even allowed guns with how much Austin has changed over the last 20 years.
I have only ever seen a range not allow FMJ 1 time. It was an indoor rifle range with only 50' lanes. They said that it was mainly because they had a problem with people with AR pistols firing steel core. It was just a quick easy way for them to inspect ammo by banning FMJ.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:49 pm to BigBinBR
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quick easy way for them to inspect ammo
When I worked at a gun range, we kept a large magnet for that very reason. Simply hold the bullet tip up to the magnet.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 6:14 pm to Trevaylin
I know of one range in DFW with that rule but it’s certainly not common.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:48 am to Trevaylin
FMJ loaded rounds, especially the cheap military stuff and Russian Tula ammunition that use steel jackets can create sparks when hitting certain objects: steel target frames, quartz/granite rocks, etc… Dry grass, shot-out cardboard backing and paper target remnants on the ground down range could emulate “kindling” if contacted by FMJ sparks. FMJ ammo is prohibited to protect against range fires.
Frangible or lead soft point / ballistic tip bullets are designed to fragment upon impact and not cause sparks.
Frangible or lead soft point / ballistic tip bullets are designed to fragment upon impact and not cause sparks.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 2:23 pm to Got Blaze
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that use steel jackets
I can understand anything that has to do with Steel. But as someone else mentioned, by range will just run a magnet on my ammo. Copper jacket FMJ vs. Hollow Point as it relates to damage to the range, I just can't see a difference.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 3:31 pm to Shexter
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Green tips (steel core) aren't allowed at many ranges. It damages the steel armor at the back of most indoor ranges
The ranges I've gone to allow M855 by exception as they are not steel core, just have a 10gr mild steel slug in the tip.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 3:35 pm to Got Blaze
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Frangible or lead soft point / ballistic tip bullets are designed to fragment upon impact and not cause sparks.
That's bullshite, I've been on military ranges with frangible 5.56 and it absolutely sparks on steel baffle plates. Copper jacketed FMJ or soft point....exactly the same in terms of spark potential. There is zero reason to ban them outside of some ignorant Fudd range owner trying to gouge customers.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 3:42 pm to Clames
quote:zero reason for a private business to establish the rules in affect inside said business? No reason at all this or any other owner should be able to decide how to run that business?
There is zero reason to ban them outside of some ignorant Fudd range owner trying to gouge customers.
LOL
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:28 pm to Clames
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The ranges I've gone to allow M855 by exception as they are not steel core, just have a 10gr mild steel slug in the tip.
Indoor or outdoor range?
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:02 pm to Trevaylin
gun ranges can be really sheisty. go to one that claims all spent brass is now the property of the range, and try to put a shell catcher on your rifle. see how that turns out for you
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:16 pm to Warwick
My old range (literally cancelled membership today) doesn't let you collect brass, but does allow brass from the floor catchers. Now that I reload, it was a big part of me moving to a new range a little further away that lets you collect. Not the only reason, but a factor.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:49 pm to cgrand
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zero reason for a private business to establish the rules in affect inside said business? No reason at all this or any other owner should be able to decide how to run that business?
You are right, absolutely. It’s their decision. But there’s absolutely 0 reason to do this, and this is a guy that’s shot all across the country and plenty in dry climates. I would never go to an outdoor range that requires non fmj, it’s laughable. And sure indoor ranges there’s some reasons, but I wouldn’t spend routine time there.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:28 pm to Clames
There was a fire in Colorado a while back called the gun range fire ( or something close to that. Determined fire was started from an FMJ bullet making sparks
I did see a video a month or so ago with a range master talking about fmj’s starting a fire in the rubber pellet backstop some ranges use.
Probably very rare, but I’m sure it’s possible. Maybe an insurance requirement
I did see a video a month or so ago with a range master talking about fmj’s starting a fire in the rubber pellet backstop some ranges use.
Probably very rare, but I’m sure it’s possible. Maybe an insurance requirement
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:38 pm to ccard257
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know of one range in DFW with that rule but it’s certainly not common.
Quail Creek? I like shooting there over elm fork. But the do prohibit fmj.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 4:29 am to Trevaylin
Fossil Pointe range near Decatur, TX doesn't allow FMJ but they did make an exception during the pandemic ammo shortage.
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