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The Underwood flip was a blessing in disguise
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:50 pm
The goal in college football is to win, not set offensive records.
Looking at the playoffs this year, there wasn't a single QB I'd take ahead of Nussmeier, and that's with the knowledge that Nuss isn't perfect.
Looking at the final 4 QBs, you had Will Howard, Riley Leonard, Drew Allar and Quin Ewers. Ewers is probably the best of those, and ironically he made the most fatal mistake of the 4 (giving up the strip-sack while trying to tie the game late).
Just seems like you want to get a guy "good enough", and elevate the talent across the board with your NIL money (like we're doing in the portal right now), instead of dumping a ton into one guy. Cam Ward and Shaduer Sanders didn't make the playoffs. Michigan didn't win last year because McCarthy was a generational QB. Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix didn't make the playoffs (probably would have in field of 12), Drake Mayes and Caleb Williams weren't close.
Looking at the playoffs this year, there wasn't a single QB I'd take ahead of Nussmeier, and that's with the knowledge that Nuss isn't perfect.
Looking at the final 4 QBs, you had Will Howard, Riley Leonard, Drew Allar and Quin Ewers. Ewers is probably the best of those, and ironically he made the most fatal mistake of the 4 (giving up the strip-sack while trying to tie the game late).
Just seems like you want to get a guy "good enough", and elevate the talent across the board with your NIL money (like we're doing in the portal right now), instead of dumping a ton into one guy. Cam Ward and Shaduer Sanders didn't make the playoffs. Michigan didn't win last year because McCarthy was a generational QB. Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix didn't make the playoffs (probably would have in field of 12), Drake Mayes and Caleb Williams weren't close.
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Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:51 pm to Scoob
Here we go.....
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:52 pm to Scoob
I would have liked to have Underwood, but there is no denying, some of his money helped us get o ther players at other positions of need with the $$
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:53 pm to The Mick
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Here we go.....
Would it been awesome to have kept Underwood? Absolutely.
Would LSU have built a roster as well rounded as they have for next season if Underwood had stayed? Most likely not.
LSU has a top 5 team in the nation next year and gearing up for a run.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:53 pm to Scoob
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:55 pm to Scoob
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Looking at the final 4 QBs, you had Will Howard, Riley Leonard, Drew Allar and Quin Ewers. Ewers
Nuss is way better than all of these guys
We just need defense
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:00 pm to Scoob
It undoubtedly made the 2025 team better; beyond that, we don't know. It set LSU on a path to miss "elite" quarterbacks across two recruiting cycles.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:05 pm to Scoob
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The Underwood flip was a blessing in disguise
Remember when most of the Rant said there was NO way Underwood would flip. Said he had a big LSU chain....so he was a LOCK.
That was cute!
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:10 pm to skullhawk
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It set LSU on a path to miss "elite" quarterbacks across two recruiting cycles.
So one quarterback whose family history proved he wasn’t coming and one that chose a late deal worth millions.
The current trend is showing that most freshman aren’t staying at their respective schools anyway.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:12 pm to skullhawk
quote:And?
It undoubtedly made the 2025 team better; beyond that, we don't know. It set LSU on a path to miss "elite" quarterbacks across two recruiting cycles.
Like I said, Will Howard and Riley Leonard are not "elite". One will win a title. JJ McCarthy wasn't, Stetson Bennett wasn't. I think you have to go back to Joe Burrow for the last "elite" guy to win.
It's not "copium", it's financial reality: we (and most schools) have a finite budget for NIL and such. 1 guy, even at QB, isn't enough to flip the scales completely. You need to spread that wealth across the entire team, and lift the talent level. Last year, if a defense could get 2-3 stops against Jayden for the entire game, they probably beat LSU. Because LSU wasn't stopping them more than twice. So having a super-elite QB (and he was) didn't do it for us.
I think the same concept applies to coaches now. Kelly's "good enough", and if he dumps some of his salary back into the pot (maybe he can't pay NIL directly, but he frees someone else up to), it's better than cutting bait and getting a different coach. We'd need to pay buyouts and hire a new guy, and the issue of buying talent would remain the same as it is now.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:13 pm to Scoob
Jesus Christ in a compact car... you are a moron
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:26 pm to LSUbacchus81
quote:Explain your position.
Jesus Christ in a compact car... you are a moron
If we sink a ton into any one guy, even a QB (and an unproven one at that), what guarantee is there that we're any better than 2023? DC's and schemes help a bit, but you need guys who can play ultimately. There's a reason we're shopping for corners and safeties right now.
And let's remember Kelly saying we'd be more aggressive in the portal due to losing Underwood, and freeing up some cash.
Would you rather a solid team across the board, or a team that is unbalanced?
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:38 pm to Topwater Trout
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Nuss is way better than all of these guys
We just need defense
And a run game.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:41 pm to TigerLifer18
quote:I 100% hope you're right, but the optimism is based on incoming freshmen and incoming portal guys who have never played a down for LSU yet. Most have never played a down in the SEC.
LSU has a top 5 team in the nation next year and gearing up for a run.
With Nuss, the offense will always be good/great. LSU's success will boil down to defense, same as it's been for several years.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:48 pm to Scoob
You can’t look at that. Each team is different. Imagine if Michigan would have had a superstar qb. They might still be playing
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:09 pm to Kevin TheRant
Yeah I hate having the #1 overall QB recruit on my team
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:53 pm to LiftIT
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:25 pm to Scoob
The way I’ve looked at it is Brian Kelly and LSU made the best of a shitty situation. Underwood flipping at the last minute after giving no indication he would sucked, plain and simple. BK and LSU didn’t sit around worrying about that loss. They took the NIL money set aside for Underwood and hit the portal on a spending spree, filling much needed holes in the roster.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:26 pm to Scoob
Who knows if Nuss would have stayed if he was going to share time possibly? I also like to believe all things happen for a reason, just need to be ready to pivot which we did greatly using the money for guys we need now.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 6:56 pm to Scoob
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The Underwood flip was a blessing in disguise
He may have saved us from ourselves... overpaying for one guy rather than build a better roster overall.
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