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School me on home value appreciation if you would please

Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6114 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:09 pm
If you're looking at an established neighborhood where homes range from 400-700k, is there more room for appreciation in the 400k house with some minor improvements or does appreciation tend to impact all homes equally?

I'm looking at a home that I'll be in for 5-10 years. My gut says buy one on the lower end, make some improvements over the years, and then the resulting increase on that would be more than what I'd get out of one at the top end of the neighborhood.

Am I wrong on this?

Posted by Witty_Username
Member since Jul 2021
676 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:15 pm to
I've always heard that you want to purchase the smallest/least expensive home in the best neighborhood.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14372 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:28 pm to
quote:


I've always heard that you want to purchase the smallest/least expensive home in the best neighborhood.


i heard you never want the top end range...middle range was still good
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6924 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:27 pm to
I think appreciation is generally pretty consistent on the lower and higher priced houses in a neighborhood. The resale-ability of the higher priced houses is a harder sale when you get ready to sell. People who have money to buy the highest price house in the neighborhood are usually shopping where that priced house is more in the middle tier of the surrounding homes.

On the contrary, it would be arguably easier to improve the value of a house priced on the lower end.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

I'm looking at a home that I'll be in for 5-10 years


Depending on the market you may be better off with a less permanent solution than buying a home.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
24835 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

I'm looking at a home that I'll be in for 5-10 years


Without knowing anything about the area this house is located, and removing external factors that may radically increase (ex. covid) or decrease (ex. sub-prime mortgage collapse) home value. You will be around breaking even at 5 years and a little profit at 10 years.

You have to recoup the closing costs and home improvements. If you do a 30 year note, after 10 years 80% of your payments was just to interest. If you can do a 15 year, after 10 years 73% would have gone to loan balance.

You are looking at around $1000/month between 30 year and 15 year payment. Price and interest rates obviously make it impossible to give exact. Investing a $1000/month for 10 years with a 10% annual return will net $204,844.

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21303 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:57 pm to
5-10 years is no guarantee of anything. My first house was 10 years and we barely sold it for more than we bought it (less when taking out realtor costs) and we had upgraded quite a bit of things like doors, windows, HVAC, roof, etc. At one point, our house value had declined almost 25% during that 10 year run.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13233 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:17 pm to
Agreed. And beyond just the house, there are some things you can't change, like which direction the lot faces, whether it backs up to a green space or water or not.

Chasing appreciation isn't the way I've ever put on my top 5 in any of the houses I bought. It was the house, the lot, the backyard, etc.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25084 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

f you do a 30 year note, after 10 years 80% of your payments was just to interest.


So you've paid off 20% of the loan balance, but you've also gained equity from the home value appreciation.

Say you take out a $350k mortgage and 10 years later you've paid off $70k of that balance. In the same time, assuming home values go up about 2-3% average per year, thats another 25% in appreciation. So when you sell, that's over $150k between appreciation and loan balance being paid off...minus whatever expenses you had for closing costs, maintenance, repairs, and improvements. Unless you did major renovations or there was a 2008-like housing market crash, you're almost assuredly coming out well ahead compared to renting and not building any equity over those 10 years
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:21 pm to
quote:

Say you take out a $350k mortgage and 10 years later you've paid off $70k of that balance.


30yr mortgage at 6.5% on that amount only pays off $55k.

I realize you were using his numbers, but just pointing out the more realistic numbers.

Also, property taxes and maintenance can significantly eat into that 2-3% appreciation that you laid out.

In many markets getting out in 10 years will be fine, but knowing those markets ahead of time isn’t always easy, and today’s rates make this a potentially costly decision.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25084 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:08 pm to
All valid points.

As to insurance, property taxes, and normal maintenance costs…..if you’re renting then you’re still paying those costs indirectly because the landlord is factoring those costs in for the monthly rent they’re charging.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:08 pm to
Yeah I understand that too.

Renting just provides so much flexibility in what is a relatively short time frame all things considered. I don’t think buying is a sure thing in this scenario.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
877 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:00 pm to
Home appreciation the last few years has been out of this world.

Way above historical norms.

A home you live in is a place to live not an investment.

If you live in a home that has appeal to others it’s easier to sell.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3094 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:50 am to
I find the overall market of the area is a bigger metric than your individual property. Your house is only worth what the other houses on the street are worth to a certain extent.
For me personally, I’ve spent time investing in particular markets. It’s worked out well over the years, but I have houses that are 2k miles from where I live most of the time.
Market appreciation has mattered to me more than rental income.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
3068 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:07 am to
There are numerous variables that make it difficult to answer, but my experience is that homes in a neighborhoods appreciate similarly, but the most desirable homes sell faster and can appreciate faster. I say similarly, but not necessarily equally. Improvements to a specific home can help appreciation, but it would be hard to quantify ahead if time with any certainty. The appreciation difference is usually negligible. The ability to sell it more easily can be important.

What will occur a few years down the road is speculation and an individual house can always buck trends since it only takes 1 buyer to agree to buy your house.

If you are planning to stay in the house 10 years, then buying one you can afford on a 15 year mortgage will increase the likelihood that it turns out favorably from a financial perspective. The interest paid between the 2 mortgages is significant. This decision has to include the opportunity cost of what you would do with the difference in payments, though.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72722 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:54 am to
quote:

My gut says buy one on the lower end, make some improvements over the years, and then the resulting increase on that would be more than what I'd get out of one at the top end of the neighborhood
Depends on the variation between the deciles (each 1/10th) of the neighborhood.

If there are a wide variance of house size and quality within a single neighborhood, then I'd be in agreement with your statement quoted above.

If the houses are statistically and quality-wise more similar than not, I'd guess you'd want to look for houses in the 50%-80% area as my perception is they'd do better (appreciation-wise) than the lower-priced segment but you'd also be avoiding the "dreaded" most expensive houses in the neighborhood.

Caveat: This is based on my casual observation of a few neighborhoods in the Southeastern US.

Good luck.

tl/dr: Varies with individual neighborhoods, post the candidate houses' images on a dart board and blindfolded throw a dart at them, buy the one the dart hits.
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