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Our intellectual superiors and their influence on us.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:14 am
Watching a video analysis of an interview of Dolly Parton by Barbara Walters got me to revisit the age old rift between the North and South, and the condescending attitudes of many in the Northeast toward those in the South in particular, and how that reveals itself in both areas of the country over time.
In contrast to Dolly who handled this attitude like a true champion in the interview, I have noticed how this shaming of Southerners has caused significant changes to many people in the south over the course of time in accents, to cultural shifts, and core beliefs to be modified to assimilate and not stick out in order to silence those who have thought us all as rednecks, hillbillies, etc, and as such, beneath them intellectually, and even morally. I see it as shame that has taken place in the south that’s caused a capitulation of our culture to align with the Northeast.
In what ways, if any, have you seen this take place over the course of your life?
In contrast to Dolly who handled this attitude like a true champion in the interview, I have noticed how this shaming of Southerners has caused significant changes to many people in the south over the course of time in accents, to cultural shifts, and core beliefs to be modified to assimilate and not stick out in order to silence those who have thought us all as rednecks, hillbillies, etc, and as such, beneath them intellectually, and even morally. I see it as shame that has taken place in the south that’s caused a capitulation of our culture to align with the Northeast.
In what ways, if any, have you seen this take place over the course of your life?
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:16 am to Mike da Tigah
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condescending attitudes of many in the Northeast toward those in the South
I just want them to stop moving down here. I like my southern accent, my wife has it, as do my kids. What the rest of the country thinks about us is irrelevant
Eta: Fwiw, come visit, but we’ve had enough move down here, visit and go back
Also, I’m a city boy southerner, but up north, my accent is of course very obvious, same out westThis post was edited on 12/28/24 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:17 am to Mike da Tigah
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I have noticed how this shaming of Southerners has caused significant changes to many people in the south over the course of time in accents, to cultural shifts, and core beliefs to be modified to assimilate and not stick out in order to silence those who have thought us all as rednecks, hillbillies, etc, and as such, beneath them intellectually, and even morally. I see it as shame that has taken place in the south that’s caused a capitulation of our culture to align with the Northeast.
Shifts in accents and culture happened because of technologies like radio, tv and the internet, not because southerners were intimidated by a bunch of uppity figs in New York.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:18 am to Mike da Tigah
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In what ways, if any, have you seen this take place over the course of your life?
I haven't.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:18 am to Mike da Tigah
In the South, we value common sense over book smarts...
ETA: I think that is a good thing.
Also, I couldn't care less what some Yankee thinks of us down here in God's country.
When you're a smart person, you know it already and aren't worried about what others may think.
Just my $0.02.
ETA: I think that is a good thing.
Also, I couldn't care less what some Yankee thinks of us down here in God's country.
When you're a smart person, you know it already and aren't worried about what others may think.
Just my $0.02.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:19 am to Mike da Tigah
The North has looked down upon the South ever since the very beginning. Ever since the Revolutionary War where they fought a gentleman’s war then moved south and said let’s frick this place up. Ever since then it’s been let’s frick and take advantage of the South. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:20 am to Loconuts
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Shifts in accents and culture happened because of technologies like radio, tv and the internet, not because southerners were intimidated by a bunch of uppity figs in New York.
To some degree I would agree with you, but I still see people toning it down to not be labeled as a hick.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:26 am to Mike da Tigah
I was the first one to suggest the Dante line that appears in the OT banner
that and my dominance in some lunch thrays
that and my dominance in some lunch thrays
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:41 am to Mike da Tigah
North LA (Yankees) have always been more oppressive towards people in South LA. That’s the only North/South rift raft I knew of growing up in Louisiana.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:41 am to Mike da Tigah
Over three decades, I have worked regularly with people from the north on a number of jobs. I haven’t experienced any of the condescension you’re talking about with the exception of one guy. But he was a condescending prick with everybody. In fact, I became friends with several of these people from the north. One will be arriving from NJ on Thursday for 3 days of duck hunting. Another…from NYC…brings about 3-4 people with him every year for Jazz Fest and while they’re down here will make a fishing trip in the marsh. They love the people, the food and the time they spend in La. They will comment on my Cajun accent, but so do people from TX and MS.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:48 am to Coach Yo
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Over three decades, I have worked regularly with people from the north on a number of jobs. I haven’t experienced any of the condescension you’re talking about with the exception of one guy. But he was a condescending prick with everybody. In fact, I became friends with several of these people from the north. One will be arriving from NJ on Thursday for 3 days of duck hunting. Another…from NYC…brings about 3-4 people with him every year for Jazz Fest and while they’re down here will make a fishing trip in the marsh. They love the people, the food and the time they spend in La. They will comment on my Cajun accent, but so do people from TX and MS.
Yeah, I don’t see it with everyone who lives in the Northeast, as regular people are regular people no matter where you live, but I absolutely do see it with those who live in their own intellectually superior bubble and fashion everyone else as flyover country. You see it on display constantly in politics as well as the media, academia, and entertainment who have enormous egos that must be fed.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:55 am to Mike da Tigah
Depends on what type of southern accent you're talking about. There's a lot of accents in the south that wealthy Southerners have always considered "uneducated" or "lower class."
The Alabama senator Richard Shelby, for example, had a northern Alabama hill country twang when he was young and then worked to perfect his signature "old monied Mobile-Charleston molasses drawl".
Also, just for example, kids from Queens NY desperately try to lose the Fran Drescher Nanny accent of their parents. Same with all the working class neighborhoods of big northeastern cities.
The Alabama senator Richard Shelby, for example, had a northern Alabama hill country twang when he was young and then worked to perfect his signature "old monied Mobile-Charleston molasses drawl".
Also, just for example, kids from Queens NY desperately try to lose the Fran Drescher Nanny accent of their parents. Same with all the working class neighborhoods of big northeastern cities.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:57 am to Coach Yo
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I have worked regularly with people from the north on a number of jobs. I haven’t experienced any of the condescension you’re talking about
I moved to MN and don't see it here either. Although midwesterners tend to be much nicer than NE people.
When you say you're from LA people look at you like you're from a different country up here, and it might as well be. It's a great conversation starter. I wear it like a badge of honor.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 9:59 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:04 am to Mushroom1968
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I just want them to stop moving down here. I like my southern accent, my wife has it, as do my kids. What the rest of the country thinks about us is irrelevant
I have a very pronounced rural North Alabama Southern accent. I attribute this to the fact growing up I was raised by my grandmother and surrounded by great aunts and uncles from the WWII generation. So, a lot of my vernacular is from their time. My experience from my traveling is that, if anything is said about my accent, it’s generally positive, with most people, particularly females, finding it charming. I think a lot it has to do with the fact I also take great care to be polite and always show one-school “Southern manners.”
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
Nothing sexier than an attractive gal with a southern accent. Melts the soul.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:23 am to Mike da Tigah
The other day I heard my mom say, “he sounds like a yankee” I was like, wtf. She is 76, and someone that age, I haven’t heard it. We live in a more nationalized world now, but not sure what people think when they hear my accent.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 10:30 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:33 am to Rust Cohle
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The other day I heard my mom say, “he sounds like a yankee” I was like, wtf. She is 76, and someone that age, I haven’t heard it. We live in a more global world now, but not sure what people think when they hear my accent.
As I alluded to in my post above, the Southern Accent is being diluted with each passing generation. My accent is deeper than most of my Sourhern Gen X contemporaries because, while most of them were raised by the Boomer generation, I was raised by the WWII generation. Along with this, I was raised in a very rural setting while an increasing number of Southerners are raised in suburban or even urban areas. All these things come together to dilute the old Southern Accent.
So the reason your older mother can discern the difference in accents is she grew up in a time when the Southern accent was generally more pronounced than it is now. But don’t get me wrong, there is still a difference between how we in the South speak to those from other regions of the county. But that difference is being slowly whittled down.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:41 am to sta4ever
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North LA (Yankees) have always been more oppressive towards people in South LA. That’s the only North/South rift raft I knew of growing up in Louisiana.
I don't know about that. People for SLA aren't even real humans. They're just some hodgepodge of mangy mongrel criminals and derelicts banished from civilization and sent to the fetid oil soaked shitholes and enclaves that no one else would inhabit. Then they looked around and grunted and clicked at each other boasting about their surroundings, and claiming the somehow superior to everyone else's. It's hilarious and pathetic all at the same time.
But as to the rift between SLA and NLA, I've never noticed it b
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:45 am to Mike da Tigah
This thread confirms just how inferior you are.
Who cares what other people think about your accent.
Be yourself. Empower yourself.
Who cares what other people think about your accent.
Be yourself. Empower yourself.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:03 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:Brah, do you even lift?
In what ways, if any, have you seen this take place over the course of your life?
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