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What's Your Covid Jab Opinion?
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:01 am
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:01 am
Were they a "major breakthrough in the fight against COVID-19" or not?
Upvote for yes. Down vote for no.
Upvote for yes. Down vote for no.
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:04 am to IvoryBillMatt
Nothing but a $$$$ opportunity for big pharm, and they sure as hell cashed in.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:04 am to IvoryBillMatt
At the time, yes.
After 3+ years of real time human trials, apparently not.
The main issues are: 1) the MANDATE to get them; 2) the overwhelming propaganda push for them as well as 3) the wholesale attack on other alternatives (Ivermectin).
Available as a therapeutic option for the willing, fine.
Get it or you lose your job and freedom, I don't like that.
After 3+ years of real time human trials, apparently not.
The main issues are: 1) the MANDATE to get them; 2) the overwhelming propaganda push for them as well as 3) the wholesale attack on other alternatives (Ivermectin).
Available as a therapeutic option for the willing, fine.
Get it or you lose your job and freedom, I don't like that.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 7:08 am
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:07 am to IvoryBillMatt
They lied about the effectiveness in stopping the spread. In that sense they were abject failures.
The vaccines reduced the severity of the outcomes. In that sense they were a success.
The side effects have proven to be tolerable for those who were at real risk of covid, but significant enough that the vaccines never should have been applied to the 60% of our population that was not at high risk of covid.
The vaccines reduced the severity of the outcomes. In that sense they were a success.
The side effects have proven to be tolerable for those who were at real risk of covid, but significant enough that the vaccines never should have been applied to the 60% of our population that was not at high risk of covid.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:12 am to udtiger
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At the time, yes.
Then you say, after 3+ years of real time human trials, apparently not. I'm confused. How do arrive at the fact that at the time they worked when there was no tests to compare them to like there was three years later? My take is that initially the jab did not work as advertised.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:13 am to IvoryBillMatt
"Medical knowledge is under commercial control."
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:13 am to IvoryBillMatt
It's not called a Plandemic for nothing.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:16 am to IvoryBillMatt
As a Pureblood, I kind of liked the covid jabs. It quickly showed me who the sheep were.
It's nice having a litmus test every once in a while to see who the sheep, Karens and ninnies are.
It's nice having a litmus test every once in a while to see who the sheep, Karens and ninnies are.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 7:18 am
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:20 am to TrapperJohn
quote:
Nothing but a $$$$ opportunity for big pharm, and they sure as hell cashed in.
My concern is that it is something way worse than this. I hope I’m wrong as I had a lot of close family members take it.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:21 am to udtiger
quote:
At the time, yes.
Based on???
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:25 am to Penrod
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The vaccines reduced the severity of the outcomes. In that sense they were a success.
You have more faith in the veracity of outcome-funded research than I do. I am open-minded about the topic, but I have never seen a study to prove the "lessened severity" assertion that was not corrupted by unwarranted assumptions.
IF easy, can you direct me to a study that you believe proves that the jabs lessened the severity of Covid-19? Thanks.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:30 am to IvoryBillMatt
For elderly and co morbid individuals, sure why not. But for young healthy people it was poison, especially the booster aspect of it. Should have never been mandated by the Left.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:41 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:It's been over a year since I looked into any of that. Sorry.
IF easy, can you direct me to a study that you believe proves that the jabs lessened the severity of Covid-19?
We both know we can't trust the establishment and their studies. What I tend to go on is whether or not there are credible scientist, arguing the point. A few months after vaccines came out there were quite a few scientists questioning the efficacy of the vaccines for stopping the spread. As of my last perusal, I had never really seen any sign of them doubting the statistics that the vaccine was lessening outcomes. That could be wrong though.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:41 am to Penrod
How many jabs did you take?
Zero for myself.
Zero for myself.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:46 am to FizzyPop
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For elderly and co morbid individuals, sure why not
Because we STILL don't know if they jabs have been a net positive for anyone. The only way to prove that would be randomized controlled trials (RCTs), WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN CONDUCTED in this case.
"In evidence-based medicine, properly conducted RCTs measuring all-cause mortality are the gold standard for determining an intervention’s overall impact. For Covid-19 vaccines, no such trials have demonstrated an all-cause mortality benefit. The original trials were not designed or powered to detect differences in all-cause mortality, and follow-up periods were too short to capture long-term effects. Without this crucial evidence, claims of clear benefit are premature at best and misleading at worst."
From this excellent article published yesterday:
LINK /
I hope the second Trump administration really does bring back common sense. We have to stop pretending that things have been proven when, in fact, they are just assumptions.
I would have had some respect for the public health community if "they" had said the truth about the jabs: "No one can know whether or not these untested procedures do more harm than good. Some believe that the threat of Covid-19 warrants trying these procedures."
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 7:47 am
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:47 am to IvoryBillMatt
If an aircraft manufacturer came out and said, "We're going to build a new airliner with technology that has never successfully gotten off the ground. We're not going to test fly it. We're also going to hide the data we used from you til long after you're dead. Oh, and, if this thing crashes, you can't sue us."
Now, I ask you. Would you get on that thing and fly cross country?
Now, I ask you. Would you get on that thing and fly cross country?
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:49 am to SoFla Tideroller
GREAT analogy!!!
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:49 am to IvoryBillMatt
I don't want to gloat b/c I'm pureblood, but I do feel sorry for the lemmings who took it. I know several who have buyer's remorse due to their decisions.
Some were essentially 'forced', other's by their own free will. Doesn't change the outcome.
Some were essentially 'forced', other's by their own free will. Doesn't change the outcome.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 7:49 am to IvoryBillMatt
It was an unmitigated disaster and completely undermined faith in vaccines, the medical community and the CDC/NIH. It was so bad I have to wonder if it was by design.
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