NBA radio this morning re Ingram

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Ingram iso, CJ iso,

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Lol CJ won the game for us and was super clutch last night aside from one missed ft.

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Lol CJ won the game for us and was super clutch last night aside from one missed ft.

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But it was a horrible plan. How often will CJ be able to go 1-on-1 like that against shite defenders like Allen?

How many times does this actually work? Not many and it almost didn't last night too.

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They said Ingram is a No. 3 on a contender and not worth a max

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And a real problem here is Ingram doesn’t have a game suited to being the No. 3 guy. His game just isn’t complimentary to other pieces. Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Draymond Green, Manu Ginobli all played within their role.

Ingram has a No. 1 player game but a No. 3 player ability.

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Ingram scored 29. I missed most of the third quarter. That must have been when he scored because he was an absolute zero in the 4th.

We won in spite of him and Willie's shite coaching.

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BI scored 21 in an 8 minute stretch of the 3rd quarter. During that time, we went from being down 6 to being up 9. I'd counter that without that BI 3Qtr heater, we wouldn't have been in a position to win in the 4th.

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yet the NBA salary structure tends to result in these “third tier stars” getting max deals.

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In the old system, yes.

That's b/c of how "max salaries" depress the wages of actual "max" guys. The barrier for entry into the salary tier went to guys like Ingram.

With the downward pressure still existing for max contracts within the new 2nd apron paradigm, the NBA doesn't know how to slot guys anymore

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I do think the SVG debacle gave us insight into the Zion/Ingram pairing that we should have heeded long ago and broken them up already. Zion looks like he needs a hard arse coach, Ingram couldn't take it though. Coaching is a problem and you probably aren't going to find a good coach that gets the best out of both so you need to pick one.

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I haven't heard anyone say this before, but I think it's true and important.

Zion 100% needs a coach to curse and scream at him, and Willie isn't that. BI just shuts down under that kind of abuse, which is why he hated SVG and wouldn't play defense for him.

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CJ is a ball hog, who played well, but continues to think he is the #1 option.

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He's got the 2nd best bpm on the team behind Ingram.

2nd best VORP

Tied for 2nd in PER

If someone else on the team wants to step up they can, but until then, oops, CJ is still a really good player for us.

You clearly didn't watch so maybe you shouldn't have an opinion based on this game. BI played the entire 3rd, scored a career high in a single quarter and is the reason we were even in a position to win. He was supposed to only play 30 mins and reached that at the end of the 3rd.

As far as his market value, I agree it should be in the low 40's and not near a max, but that can be said about a lot of players. Hell I wouldn't pay OG 40 personally, I'd rather have BI.

Let's just use Boston and their starters as an example.

There is absolutely no doubt Tatum and brown are 1a/1b. Tatum is an elite 3 level scorer while brown is just above average. Both are solid defenders. Then you have 3 guys who equally contribute unique skill sets that compliments the elite guys.

Holiday is an elite defender, average offensive player who can shoot the 3 ball solidly and handle the ball. KP when healthy is everything you want in a big man and is their mismatch guy, he is truly a difference maker when he's available. Derrick white is the IDEAL 3&D guard who can run the point efficiently.

Say what you want, but if our star (zion) was actually healthy and an actual star. We would be in a better position. Hell, I'd argue KP being on this team inplace of zion gives us a better chance the way we're currently constructed.

Herb and DJM provide nearly what holiday and white does for Boston. Ingram is a step below brown. McCollum can provide what pritchard is giving. Missi is giving you kp's defense, unfortunately none of the offense. If zion was remotely close to what Tatum overall could be, we'd be a lot better off than we are now.

Contenders? No. But a solid playoff team id say yes.

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As far as his market value, I agree it should be in the low 40's and not near a max, but that can be said about a lot of players. Hell I wouldn't pay OG 40 personally, I'd rather have BI.

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It's a nba problem and i hope its been fixed with the new tax thresholds and penatlies.

Franz Wagner deserves a 2nd contract max. Many guys deserve that 2nd contract max. BI did as well.
3rd contract max should only be given to guys who are true max players. You're all NBA lead a team deep in teh playoffs by themselves type players. BI is not that player, and neither is Franz, although he's got a few years to prove himself.

BI's making $36M this year, which is 21% of the cap.
the max 4/$208M looks like this:
$42.3M 27% of cap
$46.7M
$53.8M
$58.5M

I don't think anyone wants to give him that contract.

$38.6M is 25% of the cap, and that's what his current contract started out as. It's also basically the same adder to next years salary that he's been getting the last 5 years.

$38.6M
$42.5M
$46.8M
$51.6M

That's 4/$180M, and supposedly that's already been offered.
I personally think they should stick to that offer,

OG is making $39M next year, which I think is a gross overpay for him.
After June 30th, we can offer BI a 5 year deal, which is what NYK gave to OG. BI might agree to that extra year at the 25% salary mark (5/$236M), or he wants the 4 years but closer to $200M.

Regardless, I'd prefer to keep BI. No I don't think a BI as the #1 option can win a championship, but I'd rather that team and build around it with our young core than keep waiting on captain fat arse to care about being a professional.