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For Star Trek fans: Is Garak of DS9 the best character of any series? If not, who’s yours?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:06 pm
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This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 12:15 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:16 am to ZZTIGERS
DS9 Worf is way up there, but I do think Garak might be #1 on the good side.
Obviously DS9 has top tier antagonists, notably Gul Dukat and Weyoun.
Show is criminally underrated.
(Wait - of any Trek series? That's still real pre-2009 Spock)
Obviously DS9 has top tier antagonists, notably Gul Dukat and Weyoun.
Show is criminally underrated.
(Wait - of any Trek series? That's still real pre-2009 Spock)
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 7:18 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:14 am to Ace Midnight
I was about to say, the way this is worded? Spock
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:58 am to TigerFanatic99
"Look at me, I watch The Orville, The Orville is so cool, I'm so cool, Star Trek wishes it was as cool as The Orville"
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:02 am to ZZTIGERS
I always liked Jadzea. When Terry Farrell wanted to cut back her screen time they had such an obvious route in giving Dax command of a starship but keeping her involved in the war effort.
But Babylon 5's G'Kar and Londo were both better than any Trek character.
But Babylon 5's G'Kar and Londo were both better than any Trek character.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:13 am to ZZTIGERS
Garak is my personal favorite. I have gone on record here to say I think he was the best written character of Star Trek. In terms of best, that's really based on the type of trekkie you are. Some only enjoy the "story of the day" Original and NG style episodes and characters. Ds9 did long term storytelling and had a better chance to really dive into all the characters. I would also put Quark and Garak interactions as my favorite combo of characters.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:51 am to sportsaddit68
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I would also put Quark and Garak interactions as my favorite combo of characters.
DS9 feels more like a real, livable world than any other Trek series, for sure. The rest are all like a "this is life in the Navy". DS9 exists in a real, 4-dimensional world including civilians, businesses, geopolitics, etc. And the characters behave and react in ways that are more realistic (admittedly based on some, at times, silly backstories).
The comparison is always to TNG. I would predict that at least a slight majority (if not a solid one) prefers TNG to all other series, including TOS, and that majority is simply wrong.
TNG is great at what it is - sort of a "perfected", "film-quality", 80s/90s take on what TOS should have looked and felt like.
Are Picard and Data great characters? Absolutely. Up there with the GOATs (real Kirk, real Spock, real McCoy, real Scotty). But, going down roster, DS9 really eats their lunch:
Sisko - more Kirk than Picard, but a nice blend. Has a real humanity and, at times, ruthlessness that we only saw glimpses of from Kirk and never from Picard. Yet also deeply conflicted about his hybrid role as soldier/statesman/religious figure
Not superior to Kirk or Picard, but highly competitive
DS9 Worf - better in every way than TNG Worf (fight me)
Now, DS9 didn't really have anything like (real) Spock or Data, which are 2 of the best characters in all of speculative fiction and, probably the best acted of main crew member characters for the series (we'll get to villains in moment)
On the other hand, setting aside Q, TOS and TNG had absolutely nothing like the DS9 antagonists or civilians.
Dukat - one of the finest, most well-developed, 4-dimensional antagonists in film history - the brilliance of the character's development, dialogue and acting are impossible to overstate
The Jem'Hadar (although flawed in execution, similar to the implementation of Klingons in TOS) remains a great "noble" antagonistic fighting force. Part Borg, part Klingon, 100% awesome.
Weyoun - both an antagonist and comic relief, nearly impossible to pull of as well as the great Jeffrey Combs did.
Quark - lost in the backwash of the (judiciously used which was also key) the barely contained madness of Garak - Quark is effectively the audience insert for DS9 - ultimately we kind of see the story from his vantage point (when we're not laser focused on a particular military mission)
Garak is a compelling character that really has no comparison with other Trek series. One of the most quotable psychopathic killers this side of Patrick Bateman. As well developed as Dukat, DS9 did a masterful job with most of the Cardassian characters. Setting aside Madred(David Warner) from TNG, Dukat, Garak, Damar, even the short run by Paul Dooley as Garak's father, Enabran Tain, these were all fantastic characters, with really no equal in the earlier episodic shows.
Finally, I want to make the point that DS9 obviously revered and loved TOS. Between their Tribble episode (celebrating TOS), or their episodes with the TOS Klingon captains (Kor, Koloth and Kang), the reverence is palpable, compared with TNG's more overt efforts to "perfect" or "improve" on TOS.
So, I say all of that to say that TOS remains the greatest Trek product and DS9 is in second place over TNG (however great I think TNG is).
Again, "fight me."
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:46 pm to nes2010
quote:Him being a main character was one of the reasons I stopped watching it. He reminded me of one of the characters in The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz (1974).
I always liked Quark.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:47 pm to Ace Midnight
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DS9 Worf - better in every way than TNG Worf (fight me)
If TNG Worf fought you, he would end up through a glass table knocked out on the ground. If DS9 Worf fought you, we would drink bloodwine over your dead corpse.
I also say in terms of villains... Kai Winn is the first Professor Umbridge. I wanted her to die more than any main bad guy. Maybe because Gal Dukat was great.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:02 pm to ZZTIGERS
Hmmm....its tough in DS9. From a character growth perspective? I think Nog is the best, his journey from being a typica frengi to knowing his own weakness and being friggin dependable in war was damn awesome to watch. I think for me his most powerful scene was how Sisko was hurting after Nog lost his leg and he was clearly feeling helpless/angry/ about the whole thing, but Nog, in a completely selfless gesture reassured, him. I think he came to view Nog as a second son then.
My second favorite is a pretty un popular opinion, I like Ezri. She straight up brought down the Klingon change of leadership but stating facts. Unlike Jadzia who romantize the Klingon Culture, Ezri told Worf straight up to his face that if people like him is willing to tolerate tyranny, then what hope did the Klingon Empire had. I feel that line of hers and her journey to becoming something more than what Jadzia was moved her up there.
Don't get me wrong i like the rest of the cast and Sisko is up there with the all time greats, Avery brooks was amazing.
My third however, would be the Jem'Hadar Remata'Klan. He was loyal to a fault, knew he was throwing his lives and the lives of his men away and yet... for his empire he followed order like a good soldier from a clearly corrupted leader. It easy to hate the Jem'Hadar at that point as they have proven cruel and evil, but...while he was clearly not good, you realize if you could have an ally like him by your side, watching your back, then there is little that couldn't be accomplish.
My second favorite is a pretty un popular opinion, I like Ezri. She straight up brought down the Klingon change of leadership but stating facts. Unlike Jadzia who romantize the Klingon Culture, Ezri told Worf straight up to his face that if people like him is willing to tolerate tyranny, then what hope did the Klingon Empire had. I feel that line of hers and her journey to becoming something more than what Jadzia was moved her up there.
Don't get me wrong i like the rest of the cast and Sisko is up there with the all time greats, Avery brooks was amazing.
My third however, would be the Jem'Hadar Remata'Klan. He was loyal to a fault, knew he was throwing his lives and the lives of his men away and yet... for his empire he followed order like a good soldier from a clearly corrupted leader. It easy to hate the Jem'Hadar at that point as they have proven cruel and evil, but...while he was clearly not good, you realize if you could have an ally like him by your side, watching your back, then there is little that couldn't be accomplish.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:23 pm to sportsaddit68
I really didn't hit on any of the girls. Jadzia and Kira way better than Beverly and Troi (high beams notwithstanding). Tasha was the only TNG gal who could hang with Jadzia or Kira.
And Kai Wynn was a great antagonist as well. For that matter, the female shape shifter was done very well, also.
And Kai Wynn was a great antagonist as well. For that matter, the female shape shifter was done very well, also.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:47 pm to ZZTIGERS
I love TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
I’m not sure I could rank characters without hours of thought, but off the cuff I’m pretty high on Janeway. Downvote away.
I’m not sure I could rank characters without hours of thought, but off the cuff I’m pretty high on Janeway. Downvote away.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:44 pm to ZZTIGERS
I’ve never done a rewatch of DS9 and hardly remember much of it from the 90s.
My favorite character from TNG (my favorite of the series) has definitely become Data. Every show that revolves around him is good, every scene/plot line from the TNG movies involving him is good. I legit mourned his death.
My favorite character from TNG (my favorite of the series) has definitely become Data. Every show that revolves around him is good, every scene/plot line from the TNG movies involving him is good. I legit mourned his death.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:15 pm to alajones
Data is great. Maybe the best, save real Spock and real Kirk.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:38 pm to Duzz
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I feel that line of hers and her journey to becoming something more than what Jadzia was moved her up there.
Yeah but Jadzia had a lesbian storyline one episode with future borg queen on voyager and later green arrow’s mom.
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