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Whats going on with Theis??
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:13 pm
I get it. He was never going to stay the starting center. But tonight he got 0 minutes?? Are you telling me hes not good enough to even get minutes tonight? Is he hurt or in some kind of doghouse? Again I understand hes not a great player but now he can’t even get minutes with these scrubs????!
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
He doesn't need minutes. We're trying to develop our younger players. It's better for Karlo to get on the floor.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
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He doesn't need minutes. We're trying to develop our younger players. It's better for Karlo to get on the floor.
So this organization is fully on board with the tank? If they’re playing younger guys over Theis I mean that’s basically what they’re saying.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
We want to make sure he’s healthy for the playoffs
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:49 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Whats going on with Theis??
He sucks
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:01 pm to Tiger1242
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We want to make sure he’s healthy for the playoffs
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:42 am to Pels_Yaz
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So this organization is fully on board with the tank?
Well, we weren't trying to win last night, because the chance of that happening was less than 1%.
I don't think that anyone believes that playing Daniel Theis could have led to a victory.
But I also believe that Theis really only provides value on the floor when paired with Zion. We signed him specifically because guys like Adams and JV didn't fit well with Zion, because Theis can be effective on the perimeter, where he's a great screener and is capable of shooting, so he doesn't get in Zion's way.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:58 am to Pels_Yaz
Seems pretty clear we plan to trade him and need to protect him from injury. He becomes trade eligible Dec 15th.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 5:05 am to GOP_Tiger
Jemison just looks the part. He's huge and is a decent athlete. Plus he's still young. Every instinct says that he can be a future rotational player, if he can be developed. I'm not sure this is the best situation for him, but I didn't mind him getting minutes. I think it's fair to say that they have given up on Theis at this point..
Posted on 11/21/24 at 6:43 am to kneenola
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Seems pretty clear we plan to trade him and need to protect him from injury. He becomes trade eligible Dec 15th.
Lol. Who is trading for Theis?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:08 am to GOP_Tiger
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But I also believe that Theis really only provides value on the floor when paired with Zion.
No he doesn’t.
He is no threat to roll to the rim b/c he’s not a dunker and he’s not even a decent finisher if he’s not dunking.
He is no threat to pick and pop either.
His defense is ok at best.
He was brought here to play the same role Zeller did. He does not provide value to anyone on the floor and when he plays we are as close to playing 4 on 5 as you can get.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:26 am to TeddyPadillac
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He was brought here to play the same role Zeller did. He does not provide value to anyone on the floor and when he plays we are as close to playing 4 on 5 as you can get.
Although this is the value he provides currently, this was not what he was brought here to do. Theis was a part of the rotation and then fell out to the point he’s getting DNPs with scrubs. Zeller was never at any point part of our rotation or starting. There were completely different expectations for both players when they were brought in.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:31 am to Pels_Yaz
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There were completely different expectations for both players when they were brought in.
Maybe to people here for some dumb reason.
He was not brought in to be a starter. How anyone can think that boggles my mind. At best he was brought in to be a backup until Missi took that role from him. He was always going to be the third big and get very limited playing time. Anyone that thought he was bought in with the expectation he'd be a rotation player ignored what I have been saying that he couldn't be a rotation player at his last two stops.
The only reason he got playign time is b/c our idiot GM didn't sign or trade for a starting center this offseason. Had he done that, Theis would have been getting DNP's this entire time b/c Missi is clearly better than him and would have been the backup 5.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:39 am to TeddyPadillac
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At best he was brought in to be a backup until Missi took that role from him. He was always going to be the third big and get very limited playing time. Anyone that thought he was bought in with the expectation he'd be a rotation player ignored what I have been saying that he couldn't be a rotation player at his last two stops. The only reason he got playign time is b/c our idiot GM didn't sign or trade for a starting center this offseason. Had he done that, Theis would have been getting DNP's this entire time b/c Missi is clearly better than him and would have been the backup 5.
Teddy- I’m not arguing what YOU thought of him. I agree with you in regards to his talent. But Griff did not bring him in for this reason. We had no center depth and had no idea in regards to Missi’s talent. He was brought in to by Griff to be part of the rotation and it was a complete misevaluation of talent by him like you said.
As bad as Theis is- hes still better than the non NBA guys we were playing last night. At least Theis got NBA minutes last year- we were playing guys off the street over him now. Thats where it was a little mind boggling with that many injuries hes still isn’t getting minutes.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:48 am to TeddyPadillac
Theis was originally brought in to back up the starting center that we traded BI for. That didn't happen, of course, but the season started with Theis as the expected starting center when we played bigger lineups (centers that Zion/Herb/BI cannot guard).
When the season started, everyone thought that Theis would get the most minutes of our centers. There were a number of threads where we wondered whether Missi or Karlo would get the most backup minutes.
I don't think that anyone anticipated that Missi would develop so much as fast as he has. I agree that Missi's development has meant that he will continue to start the rest of the season. I still think that Theis will get the backup minutes when we play bigger lineups -- he played well earlier in the season.
But maybe Karlo and/or Jemison continue to develop and take those minutes. That would be awesome. Personally, I think that Jemison is not a good fit with Zion, but Karlo is.
When the season started, everyone thought that Theis would get the most minutes of our centers. There were a number of threads where we wondered whether Missi or Karlo would get the most backup minutes.
I don't think that anyone anticipated that Missi would develop so much as fast as he has. I agree that Missi's development has meant that he will continue to start the rest of the season. I still think that Theis will get the backup minutes when we play bigger lineups -- he played well earlier in the season.
But maybe Karlo and/or Jemison continue to develop and take those minutes. That would be awesome. Personally, I think that Jemison is not a good fit with Zion, but Karlo is.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:50 am to Pels_Yaz
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So this organization is fully on board with the tank? If they’re playing younger guys over Theis I mean that’s basically what they’re saying.
No, it’s not tanking. We cannot win these games. They realize Theis is not going to change the equation. They are going to lose regardless who is at center. It is better to take the opportunity to get rookies playing time and accelerate their growth than try to play Theis and maybe lose by slightly less.
It’s not tanking.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:56 am to NOFOX
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It is better to take the opportunity to get rookies playing time and accelerate their growth than try to play Theis and maybe lose by slightly less. It’s not tanking.
I think that is the definition of tanking. You are choosing to be less competitive by prioritizing youth development. If that becomes the case you basically are tanking- otherwise you play the best players that help you win- whether they’re a vet or young guy.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:02 am to Pels_Yaz
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I think that is the definition of tanking.
No, it's the definition of developing your young players early in the season so that they can become contributors by the end of the season.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:05 am to Pels_Yaz
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I think that is the definition of tanking
I'm not sure sitting a replacement level player is tanking. Theis is not helping the current team win games.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:05 am to GOP_Tiger
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No, it's the definition of developing your young players early in the season so that they can become contributors by the end of the season.
You mean like we did with Hawkins and Dyson last year? Let’s be honest thats not how Willie Green operates. He doesn’t play young guys early- so they contribute later. Hes never done that.
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