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Need some advice from the fitness gurus.

Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Chef Curry
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:39 pm
In June, I started tracking calories and maintaining a caloric deficit in an attempt to lose belly fat. I’m 35, 5’9 and weighed 175, but was the textbook definition of skinny fat. I carried way too much excess weight around the midsection for my frame. I’ve always lifted weights but rarely did cardio, so I added a 1 mile incline walk after weight lifting 4-5 times per week.

Fast forward to today, I’m down to 153. While I have lost a lot of belly fat, I still have an undesirable layer. I’ve been consuming around 2200 calories (80g fat, 200g carbs, 180g protein) and I typically burn 2800-3000 calories daily. How far do I take this weight loss? My fear is that if I dip down into the 140’s I’ll appear too skinny and I feel as though I’ve lost size in my upper body lately.

Supplements are a no go for me. I deal with random tachycardia while at rest so I’m very particular about what I take.
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:19 pm to
Drop down to 40-45 grams of fat, increase your carbs, keep calories the same. Personally I’m leaner on 40-45 g fat with higher carbs (250-300 grams). Shoot for 40 grams of fiber.

Go as low as you want but be careful when you reach your goal and reverse diet. You’re most prone to storing a lot of fat quickly after an extended caloric deficit (think survival mechanism during starvation)

Layne Norton is a good source on this topic
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:26 pm to
How intense is your exercise? Try getting a total of 20 sets per muscle group per week. And take each set to failure or atleast 1-2 reps from failure.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
14993 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 4:17 am to
Drop your calories about 500 and prioritize protein. At 153 lbs you’ll be fine with 1700 calories a day.

Once you can lose that layer of fat, up your calories back to 2200 and keep up your lifting. My best weight is 160, but for me to get down to that from 170 I have to go down to about 1800 cals a day, with cardio and lifting.
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 6:23 am
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3561 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:45 am to
I'd probably focus on building more muscle rather than trying to lose more weight.

At 5'9" and 153 your muscle mass is probably really lagging if you're still carrying around a layer of belly fat.

Everyone's body is so different it's pretty hard to give you a silver bullet here, but here is what I would do (YMMV):

- Add 50-60 g carbs to get your calories up closer to 2500 and fuel workouts better
- If you're struggling to eat, you can likely cut ~10 g protein and ~20 g fat in favor of carbs
- take the cardio back out; it's going to hinder muscle growth
- these two things should put you back into surplus for muscle growth
- lift heavier weights; not trying to be critical, but if you've "always lifted weights" and you are only 153 at 5'9" with belly fat, you aren't doing something right in the gym. your diet looks fairly on point, so it's gotta be lifting routine. If you like programming, the guys here can recommend excellent ones to follow. If you don't, just make sure you are at minimum tracking your weights on your major compounds and progressing (increasing weight with same reps) week to week/month to month.
- I'd target trying to get back up to 160 - 165 on this routine before revisiting cutting to lose the belly fat. you might even find that the belly fat decreases while gaining weight as your muscle development tightens you up all around. And it's way easier to trim fat when you've got a nice muscle base helping to boost your metabolic rate.
Posted by KoozieKing
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
213 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:05 am to
I think some people get stuck in the forever diet when they never had a good muscle base to start. I'm not saying this is you, but most people would benefit from more muscle. I think a lot of people need a mindset shift and spend 6+ months trying to add as much muscle as possible in the form of a bulk. Once you see the positives in the mirror, you are motivated more for your cut, and your results will actually reflect what you want.
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:22 am to
Huberman Galpin Podcast

I would listen to this podcast with Huberman and Andy Galpin. Galpin trains actual professional athletes, and uses evidence-based protocols. He’s a professor at Cal State Fullerton. Episode is from Jan 25th, 2023. He’s a much better source than this forum
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:26 am to
quote:

I would listen to this podcast with Huberman and Andy Galpin. Galpin trains actual professional athletes, and uses evidence-based protocols. He’s a professor at Cal State Fullerton. Episode is from Jan 25th, 2023. He’s a much better source than this forum


huberman is a fricking joke and so is his podcast

galpin is fine but most on this forum use evidence based protocols too
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3561 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:29 am to
quote:

I would listen to this podcast with Huberman and Andy Galpin. Galpin trains actual professional athletes, and uses evidence-based protocols. He’s a professor at Cal State Fullerton. Episode is from Jan 25th, 2023. He’s a much better source than this forum


Wow, talk about coming in hot with horrible takes.
Posted by Chef Curry
Member since Mar 2019
2475 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:32 am to
quote:

not trying to be critical, but if you've "always lifted weights" and you are only 153 at 5'9" with belly fat, you aren't doing something right in the gym.


Hah, no offense taken. Probably should’ve clarified that while I’ve always lifted weights, I would go through 2-3 week spans where I fell off. And like I said, I’ve definitely noticed losses as I’m not filling out the sleeves of my shirts like I used to.

I’ve gone through several consistent periods over the years of trying to increase size where I consistently lifted heavy and ate a ton. But I’d only gain 2-3 lbs in a 6 month span. I can be lazy and easily put on bad weight, but I’ve never been able to put on good weight even with consistent diet and exercise. Like you said, everyone is different. Appreciate everyone’s advice!
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:40 am to
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huberman is a fricking joke and so is his podcast


How so? He’s just the interviewer. I could care less about his take on muscle hypertrophy vs strength, I’m worried about what Galpin has to say.
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3561 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:45 am to
Yeh I got ya - it sounds like you just have high maintenance calories and so getting enough food to get into an effective surplus is tough.

2800 - 3000 calories maintenance is serious for weighing 170ish. Do you have a high demand job? Any way you could kinda...take it easy to burn less calories? A weird sounding suggestion I know, but just throwing options around. Unless you stay hungry already and wouldn't have a problem with an extra 100g carbs every day to catch up.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40777 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:08 am to
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huberman is a fricking joke and so is his podcast



Posted by idontyield
Tunnel Trash
Member since Jun 2022
504 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:08 am to
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Probably should’ve clarified that while I’ve always lifted weights, I go to the gym and frick around the entire time and do not follow a program based on squats, deadlifts, and presses


Think I found the problem. Do a linear progression program then PPSA. Three days a week for 45 minutes or so is all it takes.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:43 am to
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quote:
huberman is a fricking joke and so is his podcast


How so? He’s just the interviewer. I could care less about his take on muscle hypertrophy vs strength


huberman is always spouting off bullshite that has been proven false tons of times

galpin is fine
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:43 am to
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Think I found the problem. Do a linear progression program then PPSA. Three days a week for 45 minutes or so is all it takes.


yep

sounds like OP has frickarounditus pretty popular at chain gyms
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
5647 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:55 am to
others have mentioned adjusting numbers etc etc so im not gonna go into much detail there. generally, learn what BMR is, calculate yours and readjust periodically. i agree that maybe a small cut in cals and up protein would be beneficial.

id look at your calories burned number. what do you do for a living? that seems awfully high and most people have a tendency to over calculate what they burn. how are you determining this? Whatever you are doing is obviously working, but as your fat percentage goes down losing more fat will be more difficult and you might need to make some adjustments.

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How far do I take this weight loss? My fear is that if I dip down into the 140’s I’ll appear too skinny and I feel as though I’ve lost size in my upper body lately.


i think this is the most important question and its more a personal philosophy and ideal. no one can really answer this for you. My simple answer is you stop losing fat when you are happy with what you see in the mirror. i wouldnt obsess over numbers too much. no once cares what your weight or body fat percent is at the end of the day. i sit at around 12% body fat most time. Some folks (even some on here) would scoff and say "well your still fat, go to 10%". They can get fricked. i like how i look at where i am.

if you feel like you are getting too "skinny" looking, then you need to add mass. simple. you have two option here, fat back on or make muscle. I think we know which direction to go here right? Look into beginner programs, and stick with it. Think of the muscle building phase just like the fat loss phase. it needs the same dedication and commitment. Be well rounded in your muscle growth. just dont do chest and arms and look like one of those guys with chicken legs. A good program SHOULD keep you on track with that.

honestly if you stick to a good program and are consistent and keep your diet on point, it wont take long for muscle to start making a big difference to your frame.

Posted by Chef Curry
Member since Mar 2019
2475 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:33 pm to
Lmao clown, I don’t frick around at the gym and I do the exercises you mentioned. I’m not one of these broccoli headed kids wearing PJ’s and dicking around on my phone.
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Chef Curry
Member since Mar 2019
2475 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:41 pm to
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id look at your calories burned number. what do you do for a living? that seems awfully high and most people have a tendency to over calculate what they burn. how are you determining this?


I have a desk job, but routinely stand while working or have to walk around for different meetings. Also have two young kids that keep me busy in the afternoons. I calculate my burned calories based on what my Apple Watch says.
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:47 pm to
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id look at your calories burned number. what do you do for a living? that seems awfully high and most people have a tendency to over calculate what they burn. how are you determining this?


Yea are you consuming 2800-3000 calories for a week straight and still maintaining your weight? Or is a watch telling you that’s how much you’re burning? Only way to really know with some accuracy is consume said calories, see if you gain, lose, or maintain weight on 2800 cals over a week or two. That will tell you how much you’re actually burning.

I’m 5’11 175 lbs and my maintenance cals are 2750-2850 so I could see it if you were hitting the gym hard. Mine could be a result of those Zyn pouches though, I hear the nicotine can increase the BMR by about 15%.
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 12:50 pm
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