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Looking at the starters and holes we have (early 2025 projected)
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:13 am
While decimated with injury, we're also filled with aging vets and question marks. So here's an early 2025 look with some possible moves we expect (i.e. kamara not being here, ramczyk retiring, etc)
Offense
QB: Carr; despite everyone's anger about this. we're stuck for a year, get over it
RB: [Empty]; Williams will be cut (post june 1 saves 3.1mil to 800k of dead cap). Kamara can't be happy about this and lets be honest, paying a 30 yo RB is a bad financial move. Even for a team like SF and MVP-caliber CMC
WR1/2: Olave/Shaheed; while I like this duo, I think we all know we need to upgrade. Shaheed is not a true #2, he's' purely a deep threat. Olave isn't a possession #1 WR and best fitted as a #2. Need to get ourselves a true #1. But we are sorely hurting here.
TE: Moreau; by default because Johnson's contract is up. Moreau has been solid, but he's best at being your lead blocker. We need to upgrade here as well and Johnson has been completely underwhelming.
Offensive Line
LT: Fuaga looks solid. Not elite. Not piss poor. he's going to be fine
LG: [Empty] This is where I'm at a loss. Patrick looked good, but got injured. Saldiveri looks like he's not more than a backup at best. I think we have a big hole to fill again next year
C: McCoy will still be around, unfortunately that injury showed how important he is to this team
RG: Ruiz will also be here for the forseeable future
RT: Penning is below average, but he hasn't looked completely horrible and useless. Maybe more time, but right now he isn't the issue, interior OL is.
Biggest question marks: RB1, WR1, TE1, and LG
Defense
Boy...lemme tell yal how fricked we are here.
Defensive Line
LDE: Granderson has shown to be the only guy of actual value on this line. We really need to get him some help
NT: Saunders I enjoyed his INT, but he has been vastly underwhelming as a run stuffing NT. Cutting him saves 2.6mil, but I think financially this will be more important to address in 2026 when he becomes a FA.
DT: Bresee is still young enough to be a solid pass rushing 3tech, but he's not your next big gamebreaker. I think DT/NT both can be improved
RDE: [Empty] as it stands Young, Turner, Kpassagnon are all free agents. Foskey is also as useless as it can be. Jordan has become dead weight, despite our love for him being a lifer. We need to find the next guy to pair with Granderson. BADLY.
Linebackers: Werner and Davis are paired quite nicely, but if we're being honest --- depending on a 36 year old Davis to carry this team is playing with fire. We NEED to find another linebacker worth a damn. Werner is solid, but he has some flaws too. unfortunately all of our guys who left became solid LBers elsewhere. time to find another.
CB/NB: Everytime I want to trade Lattimore, he plays and reminds me an elite corner is hard to find. However I think this is where you have to admit selling a year sooner is better than selling a year late. Adebo is a free agent and he has routinely been that guy who has been targeted. bringing him back on a value contract (i.e. not paying him outrageously stupid top 10 CB money) would be the correct move. McKinstry has looked solid in some, like a rookie in others, work in progress. Taylor has also seemingly found his role in this defense. Even with moving parts, I think we're okay.
Safety: Mathieu seemingly will finish his career here and aside from a bad busted play, a slipped fall, etc here and there -- he has played fairly well. Now the issue: his counterpart. Harris looked good, then regressed to his norm. Howden looked promising last year and shown he's not that guy. Abrams is not the solution.
Biggest question marks: RDE, SS, LB, DT/NT
Special teams
We finally have competent kicker and punter I guess, bigger fish to fry
Offense
QB: Carr; despite everyone's anger about this. we're stuck for a year, get over it
RB: [Empty]; Williams will be cut (post june 1 saves 3.1mil to 800k of dead cap). Kamara can't be happy about this and lets be honest, paying a 30 yo RB is a bad financial move. Even for a team like SF and MVP-caliber CMC
WR1/2: Olave/Shaheed; while I like this duo, I think we all know we need to upgrade. Shaheed is not a true #2, he's' purely a deep threat. Olave isn't a possession #1 WR and best fitted as a #2. Need to get ourselves a true #1. But we are sorely hurting here.
TE: Moreau; by default because Johnson's contract is up. Moreau has been solid, but he's best at being your lead blocker. We need to upgrade here as well and Johnson has been completely underwhelming.
Offensive Line
LT: Fuaga looks solid. Not elite. Not piss poor. he's going to be fine
LG: [Empty] This is where I'm at a loss. Patrick looked good, but got injured. Saldiveri looks like he's not more than a backup at best. I think we have a big hole to fill again next year
C: McCoy will still be around, unfortunately that injury showed how important he is to this team
RG: Ruiz will also be here for the forseeable future
RT: Penning is below average, but he hasn't looked completely horrible and useless. Maybe more time, but right now he isn't the issue, interior OL is.
Biggest question marks: RB1, WR1, TE1, and LG
Defense
Boy...lemme tell yal how fricked we are here.
Defensive Line
LDE: Granderson has shown to be the only guy of actual value on this line. We really need to get him some help
NT: Saunders I enjoyed his INT, but he has been vastly underwhelming as a run stuffing NT. Cutting him saves 2.6mil, but I think financially this will be more important to address in 2026 when he becomes a FA.
DT: Bresee is still young enough to be a solid pass rushing 3tech, but he's not your next big gamebreaker. I think DT/NT both can be improved
RDE: [Empty] as it stands Young, Turner, Kpassagnon are all free agents. Foskey is also as useless as it can be. Jordan has become dead weight, despite our love for him being a lifer. We need to find the next guy to pair with Granderson. BADLY.
Linebackers: Werner and Davis are paired quite nicely, but if we're being honest --- depending on a 36 year old Davis to carry this team is playing with fire. We NEED to find another linebacker worth a damn. Werner is solid, but he has some flaws too. unfortunately all of our guys who left became solid LBers elsewhere. time to find another.
CB/NB: Everytime I want to trade Lattimore, he plays and reminds me an elite corner is hard to find. However I think this is where you have to admit selling a year sooner is better than selling a year late. Adebo is a free agent and he has routinely been that guy who has been targeted. bringing him back on a value contract (i.e. not paying him outrageously stupid top 10 CB money) would be the correct move. McKinstry has looked solid in some, like a rookie in others, work in progress. Taylor has also seemingly found his role in this defense. Even with moving parts, I think we're okay.
Safety: Mathieu seemingly will finish his career here and aside from a bad busted play, a slipped fall, etc here and there -- he has played fairly well. Now the issue: his counterpart. Harris looked good, then regressed to his norm. Howden looked promising last year and shown he's not that guy. Abrams is not the solution.
Biggest question marks: RDE, SS, LB, DT/NT
Special teams
We finally have competent kicker and punter I guess, bigger fish to fry
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:25 am to htran90
Pretty good analysis there. Have to fire Allen though. I don’t mind Carr being here one more year. He is not great, but he is good-very good for this offense (if he has time). DC4 is not the problem that our moronic fanbase acts like he is
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:39 am to htran90
Great breakdown and analysis. Only thing I think you are missing is you are making projections of what you expect to happen, but are not addressing the potential moves that will need to happen so they can get under the cap. You touched on letting AK go, cutting Williams & Saunders, and not resigning some guys. But you don't address the fact that Carr will probably be here a minimum of 2 more years because they need to move some of his money around. Cam, Demario, Taysom & Lattimore all also have large cap numbers that need to be manipulated to get us back to cap compliance.
This is what happens when Loomis keeps paying the minimum balances on the credit card debt while taking out new loans.
This is what happens when Loomis keeps paying the minimum balances on the credit card debt while taking out new loans.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:45 am to htran90
We really should trade AK41 and Lattimore and Davis now to get some draft picks to expedite the rebuild and land top 10 (top 5?) in the drafting order.
The NFL doesn't work that way, unfortunately and we are now officially in the wilderness. It will be brutal.
The NFL doesn't work that way, unfortunately and we are now officially in the wilderness. It will be brutal.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 9:47 am
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:45 am to htran90
Biggest hole find a new GM and HC. After that gut roster with 75 mil dead money. Let them rebuild the roster.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:46 am to htran90
Great analysis. Lots of needs and and it'll be difficult to address them with the Saints being 80M in the red next year. Saints need to cut the dead weight contracts and stop kicking the can down the road. The next 2-3 years will be rough but we'll finally be out of cap hell and probably have some good young talent from the high draft picks.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:47 am to htran90
quote:
LDE: Granderson has shown to be the only guy of actual value on this line. We really need to get him some help
IMO, Granderson is just better than better than average. I don’t think he’s elite, he’s just the best we have.
quote:
DT: Bresee is still young enough to be a solid pass rushing 3tech, but he's not your next big gamebreaker. I think DT/NT both can be improved
I don’t think you are giving Breese enough credit. He is great at getting penetration on passing downs. Not elite against the run and needs to finish on the pass rusher. But I think both he and Granderson suffer from the other lineman sucking. The QB is usually able to just sidestep the one guy getting to the QB.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:47 am to htran90
GM- change needed
Head Coach- change needed
Head Coach- change needed
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:34 am to SirWinston
quote:
We really should trade AK41 and Lattimore and Davis now to get some draft picks to expedite the rebuild and land top 10 (top 5?) in the drafting order.
Nobody is trading for Kamara or Davis. They are geriatric by NFL standards. Also, the Saints aren’t trading them.
As for Lattimore, we’ve all had this debate before. You are likely looking at a late 2nd round pick at best, and that’s a desperate team at the trade deadline. But more likely a 3rd or 4th.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:40 am to SirWinston
quote:
We really should trade AK41 and Lattimore and Davis now to get some draft picks to expedite the rebuild and land top 10 (top 5?) in the drafting order.
Trade deadline is Nov 5th, after Denver, @Chargers & @Carolina.
Trading AK would drop his 2025 cap hit from $29M to around $10M, not sure the impact to this year's cap (save $600k for every game left to play???)
Tarding Latt now is a wash, I think they have to restructure/extend him to help the '25 cap. The window to move him was before that $13.8M bonus was paid in Sept
Trading Davis doesn't do anything either. His 2025 cap hit would go from $12.5M to $13M
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:22 am to Suntiger
There certainly would be a market for Kamara if the saints wanted to trade him.
Davis not so much, but not due to age or talent.
Davis not so much, but not due to age or talent.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:29 am to htran90
Every time Trey Hendrickson wrecks a play in the backfield or seals a game with a sack, I throw up just a smidge.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:29 pm to htran90
I agree with some of this but disagree with some as well. It’s hard to figure out how up to date some of the cap projection websites are but OverTheCap shows a couple things. Carr and Kamara post 6/1 cuts saves the team 55 million dollars. Trading Lattimore post 6/1 saves 20 mill and trading him before saves 10 million. It’s not all doom and gloom but this team needs a small reset and the time for nailing another draft is now. They need to accumulate some picks to gain a good amount of depth. We have no depth.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 1:13 pm to htran90
Tyler nubin
Wanted him in the draft. Said we needed to add a young safety early. Also said we needed to add another wr early.
They are going to have to hit on the d line again. It's almost a tear down. Like you said, you basically have gramderson and Breese.
Have to add someone on oline early in the draft. Need a 6th o linemen in case Patrick gets hurt.
Wanted him in the draft. Said we needed to add a young safety early. Also said we needed to add another wr early.
They are going to have to hit on the d line again. It's almost a tear down. Like you said, you basically have gramderson and Breese.
Have to add someone on oline early in the draft. Need a 6th o linemen in case Patrick gets hurt.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 1:14 pm to Suntiger
quote:
Nobody is trading for Kamara or Davis. They are geriatric by NFL standards. Also, the Saints aren’t trading
A team would definitely trade for kamara.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 2:24 pm to Chalkywhite84
Yes. A team would trade for Kamara. But you aren’t getting good value for him.
CMC netted a second, third and fourth round pick. Kamara is one year older than CMC and is now two years older than CMC when that trade happened. That’s big in RB years. Now Kamara is better than CMC and less injury prone. He also has the arrest in his background.
I’m not sure any team is in contention that “has to” trade for a RB. Maybe Washington, but they have Eckler. Minnesota has Jones. They aren’t trading for another older RB.
You’d probably net a second, fourth and future fourth IMO.
CMC netted a second, third and fourth round pick. Kamara is one year older than CMC and is now two years older than CMC when that trade happened. That’s big in RB years. Now Kamara is better than CMC and less injury prone. He also has the arrest in his background.
I’m not sure any team is in contention that “has to” trade for a RB. Maybe Washington, but they have Eckler. Minnesota has Jones. They aren’t trading for another older RB.
You’d probably net a second, fourth and future fourth IMO.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 5:47 pm to Suntiger
quote:
You’d probably net a second, fourth and future fourth IMO.
He wouldn't get that much imo.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 6:02 pm to htran90
Excellent post. Looks like 5-12 team in 2025.
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