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Just out of curiosity...on BI...which of the following scenarios would you be happy to do?
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:59 pm
1. Signing BI for 4yr at $180M?......$160M?...$140M?...$120M?
2. Just let him walk after this year (assuming no net plus trade available)
Is this just about all the possibilities there are...or am I missing something?
2. Just let him walk after this year (assuming no net plus trade available)
Is this just about all the possibilities there are...or am I missing something?
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Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:05 pm to Dinky Mulberry
A healthy Brandon Ingram who plays like the 2019-2020 and 2020-2021 version will get max.
the issue is at this point, i don't believe he can ever play 70+ games (once in 8 years). to me that's when you move on from him.
the issue is at this point, i don't believe he can ever play 70+ games (once in 8 years). to me that's when you move on from him.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:07 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Well I guess it depends on whether he has it in him to change his shot profile. If he can average 6-7 attempts from 3 this season, he will be highly sought after.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:23 pm to Dinky Mulberry
What BI are we getting? ISO ball and taking contested fade away mid range shots? That guy can walk. Spot up three point BI that takes it to the hole? I’d like to sign that guy.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:32 pm to BigPerm30
Unless he completely changed his shot profile like CJ, No. 2
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:51 pm to ghost2most
All they’ve been saying about practice is he is shooting 3s and getting to the goal, very little mid range shots.
and he’s still an elite mid range shooter, and running set plays to get him wide open shots around the free throw line off screens is something he’ll hit at near 60%, which is like shooting 40% from 3.
He changes his game with a real PG now, and you resign him, extend Trey, and you have to let CJ go. He doesn’t change, he gets moved. Simple as that.
and he’s still an elite mid range shooter, and running set plays to get him wide open shots around the free throw line off screens is something he’ll hit at near 60%, which is like shooting 40% from 3.
He changes his game with a real PG now, and you resign him, extend Trey, and you have to let CJ go. He doesn’t change, he gets moved. Simple as that.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 3:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He changes his game with a real PG now, and you resign him, extend Trey, and you have to let CJ go. He doesn’t change, he gets moved. Simple as that.
And then what? You want to start Murray, Ingram, Murphy and Zion together?
Posted on 10/6/24 at 4:29 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I’d be happy to trade CJ for a center and pay Ingram, considering CJ is the one that signed off on new Tax rules.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 8:01 pm to brmark70816
We are going to find out if small ball with Murray/BI/Herb/Trey/Zion will work, and if it does, then you pay BI and you pay Trey and trade CJ. Trey is going to have to suck it up as the 6th man playing 34mpg.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 8:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
We have 5 seasons worth of data that Ingram is not going to affect winning, especially with Zion, to the level that you want a max player to have. We traded for Murray with that in mind. Ingram doesn't want to be paid like a #3 option. That is what he will be here. Paying Ingram a max or close to a max is a death sentence to this iteration of the Pelicans. Nothing that happens in the next few months is going to change that.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 8:58 pm to ThePistol
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We have 5 seasons worth of data that Ingram is not going to affect winning, especially with Zion, to the level that you want a max player to have. We traded for Murray with that in mind.
Agree...I expect much more "value" from Murray than we will ever get from BI. I'd just like to get rid of BI as soon as it's feasible to do so. I'm just not very high on BI. Trey actually has a higher "ceiling" than BI does...when it comes to playing with this current roster for the Pels.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:20 pm to Dinky Mulberry
The max amount possible that allows you to keep CJ, Murphy, Murray, Zion and Jones on this team. I rather see Hawkins leave before BI. This team has always shipped out good players for cheap talent just to be bottom dwellers. We are a veteran team with talented players so, the front office should do everything possible to keep them together for the next 3 years.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:23 pm to Dinky Mulberry
IMO, ingram plays 10-15 great games, gets a sign and trade or a sign. However I don’t see anything over a 3\40 with good guarantee\bonus from nola. If his legs are healthy, let him come over screens and shoot worst case scenario.
Think I’m more excited I can catch the game on antenna.
Think I’m more excited I can catch the game on antenna.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:55 am to ThePistol
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We have 5 seasons worth of data that Ingram is not going to affect winning, especially with Zion
No we don't. Not even close.
They've barely played together, and when they have, Zion hasn't been good, and when Zion was good, then they were a 50+ win pace team.
Complaining we weren't good when it was just BI and a bunch of scrubs b/c Zion wasn't playing is a stupid way to look at things. He's not a #1 guy, never has been, and that's not expected from him.
Saying BI can't change is so stupid. Go look at his stats from '21, specifically his shot selection. That's an all-star. Why on earth would we want to trade that guy? That Brandon Ingram is the 2nd best player on this team, and a top 30 NBA player.
The BI we saw the last 2 years, wasn't that guy. If that's the guy we get to start this year, then by all means, trade him. If you see more of the '21 guy, then by all means, resign him.
Every single practice report has raved about BI's shot selection thus far. We'll see if that's real or not in a few hours.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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Saying BI can't change is so stupid.
I disagree. Ingram is not in the twilight of his career. He is in his ninth season, his sixth with this organization. He has not shown the ability to be a difference maker as an off ball player. He does not move without the ball, he does not affect the game defensively or as a rebounder. His worst season came when he played the most with Zion. He wants a MAX contract. Guys who think of themselves as max players (and are paid as max players) don't change their game in the prime of their career.
The best case scenario is that Ingram plays very well to start the season and we are able to trade him for some kind of value for a better fitting third piece and hopefully upgrade our league worst center rotation. I really do feel that giving him a max contract is worst case.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:37 am to ThePistol
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He wants a MAX contract.
It should be obvious to everybody by now...that NO NBA team wants to give BI a max contract...or apparently, anything near that max deal. If they did...the Pels would have already moved him.
He just doesn't fit in today's NBA. I'd say he is, at best, the 3rd best player on the Pels...and probably #4 or #5 best...to be honest. He's had plenty of opportunities to "change his style" & has chosen NOT to do so. Time to move on...Pels are doing all they can to move the guy...just can't find any takers. This ain't rocket surgery...NOBODY wants the guy...at anywhere near...his asking price.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 9:58 am to ThePistol
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I disagree. Ingram is not in the twilight of his career. He is in his ninth season, his sixth with this organization.
Lebron didn't win an MVP until his 6th year, and a title until 9th year, at age 27.
MJ didn't win a title until year 7, at age 27.
Giannis didn't win a title until year 8, at age 26.
Tatum didn't win a title until year year 7, at age 25. Brown year 8, age 27.
BI just turned 27. No I don't expect him to lead us to a title, but don't sit here and say somethign stupid like he's not in the twilight of his career. This is literally the peak time of his career.
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He has not shown the ability to be a difference maker as an off ball playe
what? first of all, he's been asked to play on the ball the last 2-3 years, not off. Secondly, his best +/- with another player the last 2 years has been with Jose, the only PG he's played with. And C, he finished in the top 15% in the league in points per possession off screens.
BI has shown the ability to be a difference maker off the ball. The team hasn't given him that opportunity nearly enough.
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He does not move without the ball, he does not affect the game defensively or as a rebounder
Here you go, just a guy moving without the ball finding an assist late in the game to bring the team within 1 in the closing seconds.
Followed up by game saving block on the longest player in the nba.
And i don't want to give him a max contract either, but if he plays like an all-star this year, then he's going to get a max contract, from us.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 10:15 am to TeddyPadillac
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No we don't. Not even close.
They've barely played together, and when they have, Zion hasn't been good, and when Zion was good, then they were a 50+ win pace team.
Complaining we weren't good when it was just BI and a bunch of scrubs b/c Zion wasn't playing is a stupid way to look at things. He's not a #1 guy, never has been, and that's not expected from him.
Saying BI can't change is so stupid. Go look at his stats from '21, specifically his shot selection. That's an all-star. Why on earth would we want to trade that guy? That Brandon Ingram is the 2nd best player on this team, and a top 30 NBA player.
The BI we saw the last 2 years, wasn't that guy. If that's the guy we get to start this year, then by all means, trade him. If you see more of the '21 guy, then by all means, resign him.
Every single practice report has raved about BI's shot selection thus far. We'll see if that's real or not in a few hours.
I stopped arguing with that brick wall months ago. The never BI crowd has dug in their heels and are struggling to adjust. The melt is slowing down, at least.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 10:24 am to Dinky Mulberry
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I'd say he is, at best, the 3rd best player on the Pels...and probably #4 or #5 best
Lol what the frick... is this where someone legit tries to say Trey is better than BI?
Posted on 10/7/24 at 10:43 am to Broski
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Lol what the frick... is this where someone legit tries to say Trey is better than BI?
Ingram hyperbole drove people silly.
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