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"I'm out for straight vengeance"-Zion

Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:18 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:18 am
New Athletic article dropped by Will today.

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As Zion Williamson sits in silence, preparing for a 6 a.m. workout that’s become routine since the start of July, the echoes of a meeting from three months prior still reverberate in his mind.
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Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:23 am to
Cool

Let's see it
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:24 am to
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Let's see it


I'm not copying all of wills stuff, you should sub to the athletic when they have a special, but this is some good stuff

quote:

Griffin said something that resonates with Williamson to this day. It reinforced a shift in a relationship that was once the source of great unease around the organization.

“He told me he was really proud of me. He told me he trusts me,” Williamson says in a quiet moment on the porch of the Little Elm house he rented for the summer. “He fully trusts me. There weren’t any more small doubts.”


Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:32 am to
270 is the official goal weight before camp
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:32 am to
What

I'm saying Zion needs to fricking show us instead of talking big every offseason before being fat, needing half the season to get in shape, then getting hurt
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:41 am to
Oh, I think it's fair to copy a lot more than that. But, yes, the article is great, and what it says about Zion is great. You should subscribe if you're a Pels fan, because what Will writes is worth it.

And, yes, the fact that Zion highlighted that moment from his meeting with Griff at the end of last season says a lot.

Here's some more really good news from the article. Will is reporting from Little Elm, Texas, which is some 30 minutes north of Dallas.

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Since the start of July, Williamson has begun his days at the crack of dawn, tying his shoes, changing into a different T-shirt and rising from blue bleachers to step on the old court that once was the home of Little Elm’s high school basketball team.

For more than two months, he’s started five days a week with a 6 a.m. workout at this facility. He ends those days about 10 minutes down the road, with a 7 p.m. workout at Little Elm’s new basketball gym.

Williamson’s traveling party is small. On this mid-August day, it includes his stepfather, Lee Anderson, two of his close friends who once played Division I basketball (EJ Montgomery and Greg Hammond), Damon Barnett, who coaches the boys basketball team at Little Elm High, and Pelicans assistant coach Aaron Miles.

The prominent presence of Miles, in particular, is a sign of the growing trust between Williamson and the Pelicans.


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To bolster the coaching staff, the Pelicans hired Miles, a former University of Kansas guard who previously served as an assistant coach with the Golden State Warriors and Boston Celtics. In Boston, Miles worked directly with Celtics star Jayson Tatum and played a role in his emergence as a superstar and eventual champion.

“Coach Miles is a great dude and he knows what greatness looks like,” Williamson says. “He’s been around Steph (Curry). He’s been around Klay (Thompson). He’s been around (Jayson) Tatum. He knows what it takes to be a champion.”

Miles spent a week in Little Elm during late August, making sure he attended Williamson’s twice-daily workouts. It was the first time Williamson spent extended time with a Pelicans assistant away from New Orleans working out during the offseason.

Sometimes, Miles ran the workouts while in Little Elm. Once, in a particularly exhausting sequence, Miles tasked Williamson, Hammond and Montgomery with sliding their feet from the baseline to half court while keeping a ballhandler in front of them. Then, the three players had to catch a pass, sprint into a layup and follow up with five made corner 3s. Miss two in a row, and they had to start over.

Other times, Miles helped as Anderson took command of the sessions. In this morning workout, Anderson wants to get Williamson’s competitive juices flowing.

“This is when it gets fun!” Williamson yells as he walks across the floor. “It’s almost time to flip that switch!”


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After another morning workout a day later, Miles joins the group for breakfast at the Little Elm house Williamson’s agency rented for several months. While there, Miles and Williamson talk about life in New Orleans, family and their belief in a Pelicans core fortified by the addition of former Atlanta Hawks point guard Dejounte Murray. Williamson also shares Miles’ feedback on the King of the Court game.

The message: It shouldn’t have taken the two-time All-Star so long to “flip the switch” and go in for the kill.

While Miles was the key figure with the Pelicans working alongside Williamson this week, the team had at least one staff member there with Williamson for most of the two months he spent in Texas. Pelicans director of performance and sports science Daniel Bove, who worked closely with Williamson last season as the Pelicans star began to prioritize putting in extra work after practices and shootarounds, spent much of the summer in Little Elm.


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Marvin Sanders, Williamson’s chef, was another key figure in the traveling party. Sanders has worked with other professional athletes such as Jaren Jackson Jr. and Hassan Whiteside. He lived with Williamson during his time in Little Elm, the same way he did the previous summer when Williamson did most of his offseason work in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Sanders, a U.S. Navy veteran, even stepped in and participated in a few workouts with Williamson when another body was needed.

Sanders’ responsibility is to whip up healthy meals so Williamson can reach his goal of entering training camp at 270 pounds. He’s been listed at 284 pounds his entire career and has a clause in his contract that requires his combined weight and body fat percentage to be no higher than 295.

During Miles’ first trip to the house for a post-workout breakfast, Sanders prepares enough food for the traveling party: scrambled eggs, grits, turkey bacon, breakfast potatoes with sauteed vegetables, salmon fried in avocado oil and smoothies made with strawberries and bananas. “Chef, if you keep throwing down like this, I might have to move in with these guys,” Miles jokes.


After the horrible in-season tournament loss to the Lakers:
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“I was just looking up at the scoreboard like, ‘Damn, this isn’t us. That starts with me. I can’t be like this,’” Williamson says while shaking his head. “This s— can’t happen anymore.”
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“When rumors are floating around and all that, after a while, it does take its toll a little bit,” Williamson says. … “It was time for me to figure out a different way.”

In the days following the loss, Griffin and other members of the Pelicans front office met with Williamson and implored him to be better. They agreed he needed to work harder, but it was deeper than that. They told Williamson that becoming the face of the franchise would require him to be more present as a teammate and leader. He needed to consistently show his greatness on the court and with his work away from the court.

For the rest of the season, Williamson focused on “stacking days” with extra workouts after practice. He made more of an effort to connect with fellow Pelicans star Brandon Ingram. Williamson was more vocal with teammates and took a more hands-on approach with the coaching staff to find solutions to issues that held the team back from contending. He developed a routine that worked for him and the team.

In the process, his relationship with his teammates, coaches and the front office improved rapidly. They started to understand one another. The work got easier with each day.

“(The In-Season Tournament loss) was definitely one of the key turning points in the season, and honestly, for me as a man in my career,” Williamson says. “I’m watching (LeBron James) out here on the court, doing what he’s doing. I’m telling myself I want to be a player that has a high level of greatness — one of the greats. In that big moment, I didn’t show up. It hit me while the game was going on. I just looked up and said, ‘I didn’t show up.’ I don’t have any excuse.”


quote:

After reflecting on all the setbacks, trust issues and self-proclaimed mistakes, Williamson is asked what fans should expect from this improved version of himself heading into his sixth season.

He sits back in his chair and stares out at the water for 10 to 15 seconds. He tries to find the right words. Then, he cracks a smile:

“How can I say this the right way?”

Another pause.

“I’m out for straight vengeance,” Williamson says. “Not against any particular person. Just for myself.”
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:41 am to
Just finished the article.

Cliffs

Zion has a real chef Marvin Sanders
Aaron miles spent the summer with him, and the Pels had at least one staff member with Zion all summer. A first.
5 days a week workouts from 6am to after 7p
Zion offseason workout with pels was first voluntary camp he went to
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:45 am to
Bizarre it took 5 seasons for this to all come together

But we ridin’

Posted by unctiger4
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:59 am to
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Zion has a real chef Marvin Sanders


Figured this was a staple for any pro athlete that took themselves seriously. 5 years late is better than nothing I guess.

quote:

Aaron miles spent the summer with him, and the Pels had at least one staff member with Zion all summer. A first.


Don’t know if this is normal around the league or not but seems like they’re still having to babysit him.

quote:

5 days a week workouts from 6am to after 7p


13 hour workouts?

quote:

Zion offseason workout with pels was first voluntary camp he went to


Sad, but again better late than never I guess.

Really hard to get my hopes up for this dude. If he finally figured things out then I’ll be ecstatic but I’ll need to see it for a majority of a full season before I believe it.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:08 am to
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Really hard to get my hopes up for this dude.


Look at yourself:


Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:15 am to
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But we ridin’


I been ridin.


I’m with Bunchie though. Show me on the court big man. I love the story and all the words, but let’s see it. He needs to be the leader of this team, and sounds like he started to finally realize that after the Lakers beat down.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:26 am to
Been been ridin’




Wee need 1. Health 2. Top 4 seed minimum

If that happens Zion will be in the mix
Posted by The Last Coco
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:44 am to
quote:

Aaron miles spent the summer with him, and the Pels had at least one staff member with Zion all summer. A first.


Don’t know if this is normal around the league or not but seems like they’re still having to babysit him.



I think its noteworthy because he allowed and trusts the pels organization to be so involved in his offseason work. It isnt babysitting - its working in collaboration with each other.

The pels didnt send someone all summer because they had to, they sent someone because it was a welcome cooperative effort.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:54 am to
anyone wanna show their 2021-2023 receipts?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:58 am to
Them sending coaches is not babysitting him, it’s Zion asking the team to send coaches to help him work on his game and get himself and the team on the same page. If you can’t see how huge that is then you will always be a debbie downer.

The biggest thing I took away from that article and what shows you Zion is absolutely serious, he now has a live in chef. Not just a guy that’s going cook 6 meals a week, but a guy that is in charge of every single thing Zion is putting in his body. That’s why he’s in the shape his pictures show he is in.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12842 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:02 am to
Really hope he break out the jumper consistently. That has to be the focus and the progression in his game. The tease last season was nice but It's been 5 years, it's past due.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19090 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:26 am to
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Williamson’s traveling party is small. On this mid-August day, it includes his stepfather, Lee Anderson


Sigh ... most of Zion's problems begin and end with Lee Anderson
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:38 am to
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"I'm out for straight vengeance"-Zion
When it takes to year 6 to get this mindset, the words just ring hollow.

Show it on the court.

We missed 5 years of that mindset, so time to make up for lost time.
Posted by unctiger4
Member since Mar 2015
2369 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:41 am to
quote:

Look at yourself:


Anything I said that you disagree with? Nothing would make me happier than a healthy, beast mode Zion this season. We just have a thread like this every offseason lol.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:47 am to
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The message: It shouldn’t have taken the two-time All-Star so long to “flip the switch” and go in for the kill.

Uhhh...yea.
quote:

“I was just looking up at the scoreboard like, ‘Damn, this isn’t us. That starts with me. I can’t be like this,’” Williamson says while shaking his head. “This s— can’t happen anymore.”
When folks like me say when Zion says stuff like "I'm out for straight vengeance" it should mean absolutely nothing, it's not being pessimistic. It's not even saying I think he won't be better, come in in better shape, etc. It's simply pointing out that him saying that is not new, he's said all these things before. It needs to be done on the court. That's where you'll show it.

Here's a perfect example when i say you should not believe his words:

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“I was just looking up at the scoreboard like, ‘Damn, this isn’t us. That starts with me. I can’t be like this,’” Williamson says while shaking his head. “This s— can’t happen anymore.”
And who all remembers what happened when we played the Lakers in game #82 in a massive that where a win would have gotten us to the 6 seed and out of the play in???

Zion did...exactly the same thing again. Even NOW he's saying he can't be like that, and it starts with him, blah blah blah...And yet he shite the bed the same exact way in game #82 when he scored 12 points on 4 of 13 shooting and looked disinterested again. I think a lot of folks forget that game because they remember how great he was the next game against the Lakers.

If Zion took game #82 with the mindset he just talked about in this article and not the same mindset as In Season Tourney game Zion against the Lakers, we are a 6 seed and going to the playoffs with a healthy Zion.




The time for talk ended years ago. Show us on the court. It's year 6, we're wayyyyyyyyy behind schedule. Time to catch up.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 10:54 am
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