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Burn off flares.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:43 am
I’ve always wondered why the product that’s being burned off isn’t sold.
Seems to me that revenue could be generated from this.
Guessing it’s not practical or they’d do that already.
Seems to me that revenue could be generated from this.
Guessing it’s not practical or they’d do that already.
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Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:50 am to Tempratt
It's a forced by product for oil drillers. The gas price in the west Texas oil fields is negative, meaning that the drillers have to pay people to take it.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:51 am to Maderan
What about at DOW in Plaquemine?
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:55 am to Tempratt
I’ve always wondered why they don’t have temporary containment paired with a stand-by boiler and turbine systems to take advantage of the burn and produce power for something. They could hold the excess product and burn at a designated time and feed the local grid. But that would all have to be put in place at a cost to the plant. It would have to be government mandated to actually be done.
That’s my completely process-ignorant take on it, anyway.
That’s my completely process-ignorant take on it, anyway.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:59 am to loogaroo
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Dow plaquemine
Flares are to relieve pressure, excess gas etc.
They are to keep shite from exploding.
When process runs "off" there's almost always a lot of flaring.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:00 pm to loogaroo
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Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:03 pm to loogaroo
I think flares burning during normal operations indicate some type of upset in the process. There are certainly other reasons.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:11 pm to White Roach
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flares during normal operations
Normal flares are small.
When there's an upset you usually know it.
Those are the times the flare is few hundred feet high.
Can hear across the river.
Loud.
You can be on the site 400m away and still feel the heat.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:12 pm to Tempratt
We need a "run plant" engineer in here to give a better, more detailed explanation.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:14 pm to Tempratt
Remember how it was cool 2 weeks ago and now that the plants are releasing all this greenhouse gas it’s over 100 degrees again? Scary how people still deny climate change is happening
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:23 pm to Privateer 2007
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:27 pm to Tempratt
I have built many rejection models to understand profitability in this space.
Yes, they could sell it, no, they couldn't make money on it. Simple as that.
Yes, they could sell it, no, they couldn't make money on it. Simple as that.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:37 pm to Tempratt
Often, the reason for this is the lack of sufficient midstream capacity. As a result, producers prioritize their profits from oil production and burn the excess gas. There is usually little to no profit in the gas produced.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:39 pm to Tempratt
These facilities are usually optimized to an extreme degree. Trust me when I say that NOTHING is flared intentionally that a penny of profit could be made from. What’s more, in fact, many petrochemical sites will take significant losses and downgrades to avoid flaring.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 1:35 pm to loogaroo
Dow Plaquemine had a steam and condensate upset over the last week. Steam and condensate are vital to the plant’s operations so they had to shut down. That’s what you see burning in the flares, they are either holding where they are and keeping things hot or they are actually starting up and have to flare the off spec product until it’s sellable.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 1:45 pm to Tempratt
The flares in the oil fields in Kuwait are much bigger than anything I've seen stateside.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 1:48 pm to Tempratt
The “product” is likely an intermediate (unfinished product). When there is an upset In a continuous process, it may be cheaper to flare off the intermediate instead of shutting down the entire plant/refinery/process. Everything in a refinery is tied together, so if one part has an issue you have a choice- shut down the most of the refinery or flare that particular stream and keep what you can operating.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 2:32 pm to Tempratt
Back in the day - way back in the day - Baton Rouge looked to be on fire with all the burn offs, as well as Norco
Posted on 9/22/24 at 2:35 pm to el Gaucho
quote:Do you just write things down to prove how stupid you are or do to prove how stupid you are by writing things?
Remember how it was cool 2 weeks ago and now that the plants are releasing all this greenhouse gas it’s over 100 degrees again? Scary how people still deny climate change is happening
Posted on 9/22/24 at 2:37 pm to loogaroo
Could be off spec product. Not worth trying to rerun it to get on spec.
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