Ingram: More subliminal messaging? Time to make a trade Griff.

Nah, stuff with other players around the league has gotten way more toxic than our situation with BI, and it's often worked out. There is no good reason to assume that the newest IG post is an attack on the team.

In recent years, the players have used social media and the like as a microphone to force a team's hand.

Brandon seems emotional, which is OK, no problem with that. He feels the organization is not being loyal for how he has carried this team in the yearly absences of Zion missing time.

Denver, this past Saturday, just maxed out Jamal Murray who has eerily similar stats to Brandon over the past few years and he HAS NOT made an All-Star appearance ever. You can argue shot selection, won a title, etc , whatever metric you want to try to justify Murray's contract, but Jamal Murray is NOT better than Brandon. But, if you do think Jamal is better for the sake of argument, it is not by much.

That contract just reaffirms to me that Brandon ain't budging on seeking less than the max. He is not accepting our best offer and I believe he would leave and take less from another team before he stays with the Pels getting paid less than he thinks he deserves and having a reduced role on this team with having to share the ball amongst 5 other offensively skilled players/starters who need their touches as well. And in some circles, it's argued that Trey should start over Brandon and he come off the bench, which Brandon is not even entertaining.

We saw his Olympic results when he had to assume the role of a supporting player, he mentally could not adapt and he voiced his displeasure over it.

I see the same thing happening this year with the Pels. Don't let Dejountae shine out the gate and Brandon feel like Dejountae stealing his role to the team as leader and closer AND Trey soon to receive the money, or a significant part of the money he feels he should be getting and potentially losing playing time to Trey and/or not finishing games because Trey might have the hotter hand or whatever the case may be.

Brandon is in his feelings and the Murray contract has solidified he will be in them in perpetuity while on this team. If you wanna see Brandon on the bench sitting back pouting because he's not on the floor and thus disinterested in the outcome, WE WILL definitely be privy to seeing it occur possibly often. It's inevitable.

Brandon doesn't want to be in New Orleans anymore and WE don't want him any longer. B.I. will be this year's J.V. Underappreciated and utilized in effectively in some respects.

I want to have good memories of Brandon's time in New Orleans, not conclude with being offended at his inevitable actions before being shipped off to another team for even less of a return because Brandon making it hard for teams to trade for him. Imagine if his agent says to teams at the trade deadline, don't trade for him bc he's not resigning. There aren't even many teams with the cap space to even take on Brandon and approach his contractual demands.

Griff better not get stubborn and pull a JV and ride out the season and pull a Lonzo and JV and get no assets when Brandon hits unrestricted free agency next Summer. Look at the moves he made because of the loss of Lonzo in such a manner. It CANT HAPPEN.

Err on the side of Brandon letting you know he is coming into camp not fully bought in, I'm indifferent as to whether he deserves to feel a certain way or not. Brandon's dealing with less than ideal situations from injuries, to benching in the fourth quarter bc he is ineffective on a given night, to his role on a team with a clear #1 and burgeoning talent making him marginalized and hard for him to adapt to a new role, ALL SHOW that He will not do well with the iteration of this team now.

I don't care who Brandon is directing the quotes to. The fact he is not being specific who they are meant for or making sure it's not directed at the team tells me he WANTS to be cryptic, vague and subject to interpretation.

Brandon has not been known for anything than a hard worker, wanting to be a franchise player and leading this team in ways that he can.

So his recent actions of possibly setting up the pre camp and then not show up is disappointing. I understand he is in a contract dispute and maybe has the thought of not risking injury that would affect negotiations even further. I got no problem with that line of thinking, but he could of went to show his teammates there's no animosity towards them and observed from the sidelines without participating in the sessions. It shows he supports his teammates even if he is not happy with the organization. He didn't prove anything to the organization because it was a player's organized gathering to team build primarily like what has happened the past 2 years I believe. I rather him holdout on Oct. 1 when players are due to report than to no show his teammates where they expected him to be there bc he obviously didn't tell anyone he wasn't going.

What's even more telling is that Dejounte, the person who least knows him as a teammate, went to social media and posted in support of B.I. Brandon didn't take to media and respond back in a showing that he is appreciative for his teammates understanding his plight. One might say he thanked Dejounte in private, which there is no indication he has nor has been reported, but he should take to social media to show acknowledgement and thankfulness of his teammate having his back. Nothing.

Instead, he takes time to post on social media again, vague and cryptic messaging that could be again assumed to be meant for the organization, given the circumstances. Brandon went to Duke, he ain't no dummy, he knows what those messages can imply or be misconstrued as.

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Denver, this past Saturday, just maxed out Jamal Murray who has eerily similar stats to Brandon over the past few years and he HAS NOT made an All-Star appearance ever. You can argue shot selection, won a title, etc , whatever metric you want to try to justify Murray's contract, but Jamal Murray is NOT better than Brandon. But, if you do think Jamal is better for the sake of argument, it is not by much.

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Strong strong disagree.

Murray is everything I wish Ingram was. Smart, passionate, good leader, clutch.

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Strong strong disagree.

Murray is everything I wish Ingram was. Smart, passionate, good leader, clutch.

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Yep...if folks want proof...offer the Nuggets BI for Murray...straight up. But be ready to be laughed out of the room.

Obviously, the Pels don't want BI at 4 yr/208M...the question is...would the Pels want BI at $45M/yr? My guess..no. $40M/yr...no.

How far down would the $$ have to go for Pels to actually want to sign BI? Bottom line...Time to cut bait...and move on.

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Denver, this past Saturday, just maxed out Jamal Murray who has eerily similar stats to Brandon over the past few years and he HAS NOT made an All-Star appearance ever. You can argue shot selection, won a title, etc , whatever metric you want to try to justify Murray's contract, but Jamal Murray is NOT better than Brandon.

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Yes, if we had won a title in the last few years, BI would unquestioningly be getting a max extension. I'm sorry that this is such big news to you, but winning a title definitely factors into a player's value.

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To who?

There's no market.

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That's the problem, granted, but we don't know to what extent Griff has made it a difficult proposition to effectuate a trade, due to him seeking one that brings back a predetermined package of assets (i.e. a starting Center, draft capital, etc).

I believe Griff, understandably, misread the market for Brandon, but it's a matter of when it became a reality. I surmise it was AFTER trading for Dejountae.

Brandon remaining on this roster any longer will only further diminishing returns each passing day and may present a situation during the season where we start to sit him or reduce his playing time, inexplicably, around the trade deadline to ensure there is no injury that would derail any potential deal being considered or proffered.

We don't know what trade scenarios had any prospect of being realized. In a tough spot because do you come to terms on a new contract first so as to quell any trepidation by a team considering trading for Brandon and retaining him or due you stay the course and seek a trade knowing teams will offer peanuts in terms of a package because he could end up just being a rental and bail next summer like Kwahi did in Toronto?

Question, what is the best course of action due yall suggest at this point, given the myriad of risks involved in holding onto Brandon any further?

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Question, what is the best course of action due yall suggest at this point, given the myriad of risks involved in holding onto Brandon any further?

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1. Trade - Any realistic trade that doesn't add a bunch of salary for us for multiple years, just do it

2. Play the season and let him walk




There is no realistic contract that he'd even consider that I'd be willing to offer for him for an extension, so extending him is not even a realistic avenue I'd be pursuing.

Can you use any more big words

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I believe Griff, understandably, misread the market for Brandon, but it's a matter of when it became a reality. I surmise it was AFTER trading for Dejountae.

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I still don’t get why the Hawks wouldn’t take BI for Murray. Seems like he would be the ideal guy to take pressure off Trae. Seemed like a perfect trade for both teams.

I made a thread before we acquired him and got killed for saying that Murray currently had more value than BI. Wonder if Griff was drinking the koolaid like everyone else and got greedy.

Either way, he badly miscalculated and we’ll end selling him for Pennie’s on the dollar after the season.