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We've reached price parity between EV and ICE vehicles****
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:47 pm
The asterisk in the title is if you include the $7500 federal tax credit applied to electric vehicles manufactured and assembled in the USA. So keep that insanity in mind when you read articles on how EV's are now the same price as similar gasoline alternatives
In 2025, two Chevrolet Equinox crossovers will be offered for sale in the USA. While the names, the size, and dimensions are the same - they are technically very different. Both are on separate platforms, both are aimed at a different market, and both have very different expectations from a sales perspective.
The 2025 Equinox shown below features a 4 cylinder turbo engine, an 8 speed automatic, runs on regular unleaded, and starts at $28,600:
The 2025 Equinox EV features up to 2 permanent magnet electric motors, about 330 miles of range, and starts at $34,995....but also qualifies for a $7500 federal tax credit. So thanks to Daddy Government, the EV starts at a slightly lower price as the gasoline model of the same size, from the same brand.
Chevrolet clearly put a lot of effort into both of these vehicles. The gasoline model will have to replace both the outgoing gasoline Equinox and the Malibu sedan that will be discontinued next year. The gasoline Equinox will probably turn a significant profit for Chevrolet within the first year the new model goes on sale.
The electric Equinox is a lower priced alternative to the Hyundai Ioniq5, Ford Mustang Mach E, Tesla Model Y, and Chevrolet's own Blazer EV. It's not likely that the Equinox EV will turn a profit for Chevrolet at all this generation. Within a year, the Equinox EV will be undercut in price by a competitor in its own showroom - the next generation Chevrolet Bolt.
In 2025, two Chevrolet Equinox crossovers will be offered for sale in the USA. While the names, the size, and dimensions are the same - they are technically very different. Both are on separate platforms, both are aimed at a different market, and both have very different expectations from a sales perspective.
The 2025 Equinox shown below features a 4 cylinder turbo engine, an 8 speed automatic, runs on regular unleaded, and starts at $28,600:
![](https://i.postimg.cc/BbCn6PV4/2025-Equinox.jpg)
The 2025 Equinox EV features up to 2 permanent magnet electric motors, about 330 miles of range, and starts at $34,995....but also qualifies for a $7500 federal tax credit. So thanks to Daddy Government, the EV starts at a slightly lower price as the gasoline model of the same size, from the same brand.
![](https://i.postimg.cc/qMk7FQNR/MY24-Chevrolet-Equinox-EV.jpg)
Chevrolet clearly put a lot of effort into both of these vehicles. The gasoline model will have to replace both the outgoing gasoline Equinox and the Malibu sedan that will be discontinued next year. The gasoline Equinox will probably turn a significant profit for Chevrolet within the first year the new model goes on sale.
The electric Equinox is a lower priced alternative to the Hyundai Ioniq5, Ford Mustang Mach E, Tesla Model Y, and Chevrolet's own Blazer EV. It's not likely that the Equinox EV will turn a profit for Chevrolet at all this generation. Within a year, the Equinox EV will be undercut in price by a competitor in its own showroom - the next generation Chevrolet Bolt.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:49 pm to frequent flyer
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It's not likely that the Equinox EV will turn a profit for Chevrolet at all this generation.
Given labor costs, including legacy payments, I’m pretty sure GM loses money on every car they make. Just less on some than others.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:49 pm to frequent flyer
Still waiting on the equivalent of the Geo Metro in EV form, if they want mass adoption of EVs they will need to make a model under $20k.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:51 pm to frequent flyer
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We've reached price parity reached between EV and ICE vehicles****
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The asterisk in the title
I think you might have reached too far with the asterisks.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:53 pm to frequent flyer
Except I can fill up in 5 minutes virtually anywhere.
And my ICE doesnt have the negatives of all those horrible chemicals in the EV batteries.
And my ICE doesnt have the negatives of all those horrible chemicals in the EV batteries.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:53 pm to frequent flyer
Both are nice for little old ladies running to the grocery.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:55 pm to frequent flyer
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The 2025 Equinox shown below features a 4 cylinder turbo engine, an 8 speed automatic, runs on regular unleaded, and starts at $28,600:
Perfectly reasonable, logical vehicle choice considering the average new car price is over $40k now.
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The 2025 Equinox EV features up to 2 permanent magnet electric motors, about 330 miles of range, and starts at $34,995....but also qualifies for a $7500 federal tax credit.
If this is Ultium, it's probably also a decent product. But Chevrolet will struggle to build a few hundred of them before the end of the year. Their own CEO says that they are in EV "production hell".
The big question for early adopters will be how to handle component replacements (batteries in particular) as these vehicles age. The battery pack is the big question mark IMO.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:55 pm to frequent flyer
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but also qualifies for a $7500 federal tax credit. So thanks to Daddy Government, the EV starts at a slightly lower price as the gasoline model of the same size, from the same brand.
Its crazy that the government never subsidized any businesses until EVs.
They've certainly never gave automobile manufacturers money
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:23 pm to frequent flyer
Tax credits are unfair to consumers
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:36 pm to frequent flyer
I never thought I'd see the day where I am actually interested in an EV, specifically the new Tesla Model 3 Performance trim since the $7500 applies. Pretty awesome the features that would come with a mid 40s sedan and "filling up" my vehicle at home would be ~$5.25 for 300 miles.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:54 am to frequent flyer
Isn't the tax credit means tested? So not everyone will receive the $7,500 rebate.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 6:08 am to frequent flyer
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We've reached price parity between EV and ICE vehicles....when $7500 tax credit is added in
Can we do the scheduled maintenance costs now? That $10-15K battery pack loses 20% capacity at 300-500 charges, all downhill from there. and total replacement at an average of 7-10 years that leaves the vehicle useless until replaced.
I'm all for new innovation, products, etc.... but let the market decide and get the gov't thumb off the scale.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 7:26 am to frequent flyer
Well, you obviously took math in school but you either skipped or flunked economics: ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconspank.gif)
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconspank.gif)
Posted on 5/21/24 at 7:39 am to frequent flyer
Rental car companies are dumping their EVs on the secondary market. You can get better deals with low mileage, and still get the credit.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:10 am to frequent flyer
No thanks.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:08 am to frequent flyer
Dumbest take I’ve seen in awhile lol
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:17 pm to frequent flyer
Add the cost of replacing the battery on a EV in 10-15 years and let me know how the cost compares?
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