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re: Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement address
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:28 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:28 pm to wadewilson
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Don't be a cocksucker.
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NawlinsTiger9
gonna be an uphill battle.
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:23 pm to TigerintheNO
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Benedictine College is a Catholic private liberal arts school in Atchison, Kansas,
Speech seems pretty well suited to the audience, not The View or CNN.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:29 pm to Havoc
Serial downvoter in this thread doing work. Even the lightest comments get one 
Posted on 5/20/24 at 7:24 pm to Freauxzen
I’m not catholic and nothing he said bothered or offended me at all. I thought it was a pretty good speech.
I think having a family and mother’s being involved is vital to family stability. That’s not to say women can’t maintain a professional career, but for both parents, the most important thing should be your family (and not
your career).
I generally disagree with abortion wholeheartedly. I guess very rare exceptions may exist, but they are indeed rare in the big picture.
Surrogacy and IVF always seemed…i don’t know….icky or wrong to me. You’re entering into a business transaction to harvest eggs and sperm, fertilize them, then you’re picking and choosing which embryo is best and utilize. What happens to other embryos? Are the discarded? Donated? I don’t know. It just seems … off.
. Surrogacy, well, you’re entering into a business transaction with a third-party to carry the embryo. Again, something about it rubs me the wrong way.
The intentions are good, but it seems contrary to human morals and ethics.
I think having a family and mother’s being involved is vital to family stability. That’s not to say women can’t maintain a professional career, but for both parents, the most important thing should be your family (and not
your career).
I generally disagree with abortion wholeheartedly. I guess very rare exceptions may exist, but they are indeed rare in the big picture.
Surrogacy and IVF always seemed…i don’t know….icky or wrong to me. You’re entering into a business transaction to harvest eggs and sperm, fertilize them, then you’re picking and choosing which embryo is best and utilize. What happens to other embryos? Are the discarded? Donated? I don’t know. It just seems … off.
. Surrogacy, well, you’re entering into a business transaction with a third-party to carry the embryo. Again, something about it rubs me the wrong way.
The intentions are good, but it seems contrary to human morals and ethics.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:17 am to GentleJackJones
quote:I hope you’ve never beat off. If so you’ve killed millions of potential embryos.
Surrogacy and IVF always seemed…i don’t know….icky or wrong to me. You’re entering into a business transaction to harvest eggs and sperm, fertilize them, then you’re picking and choosing which embryo is best and utilize. What happens to other embryos? Are the discarded? Donated? I don’t know. It just seems … off.
Most of what butker said I’m on board with and don’t mind the overall speech, but I don’t think he’s right about everything. And that’s okay, we’re allowed to have different opinions. I can tell you I prefer his views than some black Israelite nonsense like deandre Hopkins believes
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:23 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
my main issue with what butker did is the platform he chose to give it. Even with Benedictine being a very catholic institution i dont think a graduation is the place to go on rants like that, no matter your beliefs. There's a time and place. Now if the local parish invited him to give a sermon for mass or something thats different.
no if I want to be nitpicky about what he said I agree the heart of what he was aiming for was good. I think the IVF rant was weird but if that's in the catholic belief system then whatever. I also think it's easy for him to talk about the wife being a dedicated mom when he's making an NFL salary. Not all of us have that luxury in today's economy.
no if I want to be nitpicky about what he said I agree the heart of what he was aiming for was good. I think the IVF rant was weird but if that's in the catholic belief system then whatever. I also think it's easy for him to talk about the wife being a dedicated mom when he's making an NFL salary. Not all of us have that luxury in today's economy.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:36 am to Freauxzen
Freaux, I’m gonna respond brother, just been swamped at work 
*inb4 my Klark Kent led fan club rushes in with the “hurry up and drop those French fries” joke*
*inb4 my Klark Kent led fan club rushes in with the “hurry up and drop those French fries” joke*
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:46 am to Pedro
quote:agree here as well
it's easy for him to talk about the wife being a dedicated mom when he's making an NFL salary. Not all of us have that luxury in today's econom
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:30 am to Pedro
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I also think it's easy for him to talk about the wife being a dedicated mom when he's making an NFL salary. Not all of us have that luxury in today's economy.
But it's things like this that SOMETIMES, point to something operating beyond the pale.
We will never get back to single parents incomes for the majority of Americans. Never. And that's quite scary. And it feels manufactured.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:30 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Freaux, I’m gonna respond brother, just been swamped at work
You're good man, and I was really fine if we were done.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:38 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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If so you’ve killed millions of potential embryos.
Masturbation is a sin according to the church but biologically it’s very different than IVF. Sperm is only half of the embryo while IVF is a fertilized egg, ie all of the DNA
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:09 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I hope you’ve never beat off. If so you’ve killed millions of potential embryos
So it isn't an embryo, got it.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He said most of the women in the crowd (presumably nearly all Catholic) will find their greatest meaning and purpose in being a wife and mom. And in my experience that is true for most women, religious or otherwise. That includes women who also work. And it’s biologically self evident why that would be the case.
My wife and I have three kids, aren’t religious and she will tell you she derives far more pleasure and meaning from being a mom than she ever did in her career prior to having children. She has a masters degree and lucrative skill set, life would be easier financially if she still worked but both her and the kids are happier that she doesn’t. That is by far the more common scenario than the inverse, where women with kids still find more pleasure and meaning in their career.
Hes basically saying don’t sacrifice a family at the alter of your career. If you can do both fine, but most women will find themselves unfulfilled later in life if they renounced marriage and children for their work. Thats just the reality of human biology.
How do you know this? You only know of your wife. I have had a very fulfilling career. I've also had a fulfilling time as a wife and mother. Sometimes one gave me happiness and fulfillment and the other didn't and vice versa. There is literally no biology that makes women need all that to be happy. I never considered whether my kids were happier about me working or not. In fact, that's really a ridiculous consideration as the kids truly don't know the difference. The real scenario is that if you have enough money, many husbands find it easier to have a wife that handles it all for them.
Tell me where in the Bible it says that women must stay home with the kids and only be caretakers of their family?
Come at me now! Let the downvotes rain!
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I guess I don’t understand how it’s possible to perceive his statement as being an either/or mutually exclusive proposition. Hes saying those who do go on to have successful careers WILL STILL get more fulfillment from their families. Thats statement by definition requires that subset of women to do both.
His attack was specifically on the idea that all women can be fulfilled with nothing but a job to define them while forgoing families, not that you can’t do both. And for the record the same is true for men.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he was saying that even if you become very successful in your career, the most important thing and the thing that will bring you the most fulfillment in life is being a mother. I don't know a single mother that would disagree with that statement, and I know plenty of mothers who have successful careers.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:55 pm to Pedro
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my main issue with what butker did is the platform he chose to give it. Even with Benedictine being a very catholic institution i dont think a graduation is the place to go on rants like that, no matter your beliefs. There's a time and place. Now if the local parish invited him to give a sermon for mass or something thats different.
He's speaking to people who are about to enter the real world, and will probably fairly soon start having families.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:00 pm to LaLadyinTx
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How do you know this? You only know of your wife. I have had a very fulfilling career. I've also had a fulfilling time as a wife and mother. Sometimes one gave me happiness and fulfillment and the other didn't and vice versa. There is literally no biology that makes women need all that to be happy. I never considered whether my kids were happier about me working or not. In fact, that's really a ridiculous consideration as the kids truly don't know the difference. The real scenario is that if you have enough money, many husbands find it easier to have a wife that handles it all for them.
Wait, are you really comparing the fulfillment of your career to your fulfillment of being a mother? If so, I'm glad my wife doesn't share that opinion
ETA: also, I have zero problem stating that I get much more fulfillment in being a father than I do from my career, and I do alright.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:13 pm to bcoop199
It’s still a sin to Jack off
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:00 pm to TigerintheNO
Women's Harrison Butker Jerseys Sell Out at NFL Shop.com a few days after his speech.
NFL sold out of Harrison Butker women’s jerseys following Benedictine graduation speech
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Methinks, the vocal radical minority is in for a rude awakening come November.
NFL sold out of Harrison Butker women’s jerseys following Benedictine graduation speech
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Methinks, the vocal radical minority is in for a rude awakening come November.
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:08 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Methinks, the vocal radical minority is in for a rude awakening come November.
Or they just don't make a lot of Butker jerseys.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:11 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Both Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes come out in support of Butker:
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Patrick Mahomes has defended the character of Harrison Butker after the Chiefs kicker came under fire for comments he made during a recent commencement speech.
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“I’ve known him for seven years. I judge him by the character he shows every day and that’s a good person,” Mahomes told reporters at Chiefs OTAs on Wednesday.
“That’s someone who cares about the people around him, cares about his family, and wants to make a good impact in society. When you’re in a locker room, you’re around a lot of people from a lot of different areas of life, and they have a lot of different views on everything. We’re not always going to agree. He said certain things I don’t agree with.
“But I understand the person that he is. He’s trying to do whatever he can to lead people in the right direction, and that might not be the same values that I have. But at the same time I’m going to judge him by the character he shows every day, and that’s a good person.”
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Andy Reid didn’t hold back when asked about Harrison Butker’s now-viral commencement speech at Benedictine College, when the Chiefs kicker encouraged female graduates to be “homemakers” and said the LGBTQ+ community was partaking in “deadly sins” by celebrating Pride.
During a press conference at the team’s facility Wednesday, the Chiefs coach threw some shade at reporters when asked what he would tell female employees if they came to him with concerns about Butker speaking ill of women in general.
“I don’t think he was speaking ill to women,” the 66-year-old Reid said. “He has his opinions and we all respect that.
“I let you guys in this room and you have a lot of opinions that I don’t like, so.”
Reid said no female employee had confronted him with concerns about Butker’s comments at the time.
“I didn’t talk to him about this. I didn’t think we needed to,” Reid said. “We’re a microcosm of life. Everyone is from different areas, different religions, different races. And so, we all get along, we all respect each other’s opinions and not necessarily do we go by those, but we respect everyone to have a voice. That’s. the great thing about America, man… and my wish is that everybody can kind of follow that.”
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