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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread

Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:30 am to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:30 am to
Hawks get BI and Larry Nance

Nets get Capella and Hawks lottery protected 1st

Magic get CJ

Pels get Murray, Isaac, Finney-Smith, S&T Claxton, Hawks 1st, 2 Magic 2nds.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32703 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:41 am to
Would 100% do that.

ETA: I don't think the Hawks would do that trade if they had to give up 2 firsts, but I would be okay including a first from us and only having the Hawks give up a protected 1st.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 10:44 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116312 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:43 am to
The Hawks are giving up Dejounte Murray (and Capella) and they are the ones giving up 2 picks?

What?

This would require at least a pick or two going out on our end. We are raping everyone else
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32703 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:44 am to
quote:

This would require at least a pick or two going out on our end. We are raping everyone else

Right, I think outside of the picks part, it's not that unrealistic. But I would be willing to part with picks for that trade
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40156 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:54 am to
People are going to be shocked when teams tell them in order to get off BI AND get the pieces you want it will cost Herb.

Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40156 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:54 am to
I don’t hate this trade at all
Posted by MasterAbe1
Member since Oct 2016
5043 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:57 am to
I don’t either. I’d run if we could get that deal, and I do think it would work but we would be the ones giving out a few picks which is fine by me
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1686 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Hawks get BI and Larry Nance

Nets get Capella and Hawks lottery protected 1st

Magic get CJ

Pels get Murray, Isaac, Finney-Smith, S&T Claxton, Hawks 1st, 2 Magic 2nds.


-Hawks giving up too much

-This doesn’t make sense for the Nets

-I do think the Magic should be interested in CJ. If we are able to somehow get Claxton, I’d rather Carter than Isaac. Cheaper contract, signed for next year, healthier, and can stretch the floor some. The playoffs really showed Isaac’s limitations, especially on the offensive end of the floor. Having Claxton, Isaac, and Zion as your big rotation really limits the spacing.

With that said, I’d love to see what we could do with Isaac or Claxton. We should be utilizing Vinson’s ability more and take on guys like Isaac to rehab their value by fixing their shots. It’s the one unique advantage the pels have over other teams in the league and we really need to start leaning on it more.
Posted by new roads
Member since Aug 2009
137 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:03 am to
This Trade is Successful!
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New Orleans Pelicans
Over Tax Line

-$1,777,393

Cap Room

-$27,416,685

PlayerSalaryPER

J. Clarkson$23.5M12.8
PG3 Years

L. Markkanen$17.3M21.7
PF2 Years
Acquiring 2 Players
$40.7M

Hollinger's Analysis: +6 Wins

With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 6.

Utah Jazz
Over Tax Line

-$34,800,933

Cap Room

$5,527,933

PlayerSalaryPER

Trae Young$40.1M20.4
PG4 Years
Acquiring 1 Player
$40.1M

Hollinger's Analysis: -6 Wins

With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 6.

Atlanta Hawks
Over Tax Line

-$9,154,202

Cap Room

-$20,118,798

PlayerSalaryPER

B. Ingram$33.8M18.4
SF2 Years

D. Daniels$5.8M12.1
G3 Years
Acquiring 2 Players
$39.6M

Hollinger's Analysis: -6 Wins

With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 6.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25793 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:28 am to
quote:

The Hawks are giving up Dejounte Murray (and Capella) and they are the ones giving up 2 picks?




Guys. BI is worth more than Murray.
Remember that in February the best offer for Murray was Spencer Dinwiddie's expiring contract and a 1st round pick.

The Hawks can expect 2 firsts for Murray. BI is worth more than that. No team is trading for BI without talking to him first about an extension. They aren't trading for a 1 year rental.

Capela is the most overpaid center in the league. There aren't many teams that want his 1 year at $22M. and the Hawks don't want him and his contract with Okongwu's new contract starting next year.

I think that trade is worth 2 firsts from ATL, but if they balked and just said 1, then so be it, i'd still do it.

I don't think the Nets care at all about next year. Their goal is to turn Ben Simmons expiring deal into a superstar (Mitchell), and have capspace next summer. They truly only have Bridges and Cam's contracts on the books for 2026, and if they added Mitchell, they'd still have plenty cap space to use. DFS has a player option in 2 years, so replacing him with Capela's expiring is what they want.

Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52674 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:35 am to
Gotta love Homer fans who overvalue their own players and think highway robbery is a fair trade. Also Herb is not untouchable
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116312 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:36 am to
quote:

Guys. BI is worth more than Murray.



You are going to be the first one shocked at the value of BI.

it will be low. incredibly, deeply low.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
9071 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:36 am to
quote:

Guys. BI is worth more than Murray. Remember that in February the best offer for Murray was Spencer Dinwiddie's expiring contract and a 1st round pick.


Hes not worth more. This isn’t February and BI value has dropped. We’re not sure that was the best offer- he wasn’t traded; thats all we really know. I would say at this point hes equal to Murray. Think about it this way. Both are all stars, one stays relatively healthy- BI doesn’t, Murray was ridiculously clutch this year- BI wasnt and Murray didn’t have a great defensive year but is still considered a better defender than BI. Thats not even considering the absolute shite bomb BI dropped in the playoffs. There are arguments to be made that with BIs huge contract coming up, his playoff disaster- that Murray on a reasonable contract is the much better asset.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
9071 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:40 am to
quote:

it will be low. incredibly, deeply low.


Its not “incredibly deeply” low either. We dont need to go on extremes here. Its just not as high as in February but lets not think hes complete garbage now- again you guys need to stop listening to Macnamara.

Even Shamit disagrees with Macnamara on BIs extremely low value.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 11:41 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9822 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Both are all stars,


No
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116312 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:41 am to
Yeah, there values are roughly equal, I'd say Dejounte is probably slightly higher.

The offers Griff gets for BI are going to shock people. He has 1 year left, wants 50 mill + a year, is not a good defender, was TERRIBLE with Team USA, had a terrible, beyond terrible playoff series, and is a dinosaur on offense that plays slow, refuses to take 3 point shots, and doesn't attack the rim regularly.

Griff is going to get offered scraps. His work is cut out for him to get to the real offers.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116312 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Its not “incredibly deeply” low either.


Compared to what his value would have been last summer, it is low.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
9071 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:42 am to
quote:

No


Technically thats true whether you want to believe it in your head thats a different story.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
9071 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:43 am to
quote:

Compared to what his value would have been last summer, it is low.


Yes agreed. But we’re not trading him for a random vet and first either. Value is still there.

quote:

The offers Griff gets for BI are going to shock people. He has 1 year left, wants 50 mill + a year, is not a good defender, was TERRIBLE with Team USA, had a terrible, beyond terrible playoff series, and is a dinosaur on offense that plays slow, refuses to take 3 point shots, and doesn't attack the rim regularly. Griff is going to get offered scraps. His work is cut out for him to get to the real offers.


Yeah I disagree here. Hes not getting scraps. If people don’t get PG, hes being automatically mentioned as the backup. Thats not scraps. Certain teams wont get the Paul George or Donovan Mitchell and they will make a decent trade for BI. Griffin might not get what he wants but hes not getting scraps either.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 11:47 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116312 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:44 am to
Dejounte Murray isn't a random vet

Teddy is deeply overvaluing BI and Nance (who has very little value as well), and raping the hell out of the other teams.
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