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Wine reviews
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:36 pm
So I’m trying to upgrade my wine purchases but so far have been very disappointed in taste to value. Even taste to double the price. I recall many great bottles of BV Rutherford for less than $25 per bottle in the 90’s and beyond. Now I like liberty Creek big jug better than many well ranked $30+ bottles.
Today I bought a highly touted and 95 rated wine at Total wine. Chateau la Chapelle Boudeau 2019z. Ranked 95 by Decantur 2022 Wine awards.
Tastes like all red wine these days that isn’t liberty Creek or Barefoot etc or $75 per bottle or more. Meaning no depth or character and highly acidic and young versus velvety and earthy.
Wtf is going on?
Today I bought a highly touted and 95 rated wine at Total wine. Chateau la Chapelle Boudeau 2019z. Ranked 95 by Decantur 2022 Wine awards.
Tastes like all red wine these days that isn’t liberty Creek or Barefoot etc or $75 per bottle or more. Meaning no depth or character and highly acidic and young versus velvety and earthy.
Wtf is going on?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:42 pm to Sixafan
Well, no shite. It's a young Bordeaux. They're meant to lay on their side for years.
Buy a "little brother' wine of the same or a similar vineyard if you want something new that is not only less expensive but made to drink when it's released.
Buy a "little brother' wine of the same or a similar vineyard if you want something new that is not only less expensive but made to drink when it's released.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:49 pm to Sixafan
Try to find a small wine shop with a knowledgeable staff.
I’m lucky that we have a wine shop a block away with wines you won’t typically purchase or even see on shelves at bigger places, and they consistently recommend reds in the $20-30 range that are much better than what I would get if I spent the same or a little more at Total Wines or Whole Foods.
Having someone who knows what they are doing to help you pick bottles will go a long way.
I’m lucky that we have a wine shop a block away with wines you won’t typically purchase or even see on shelves at bigger places, and they consistently recommend reds in the $20-30 range that are much better than what I would get if I spent the same or a little more at Total Wines or Whole Foods.
Having someone who knows what they are doing to help you pick bottles will go a long way.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:50 pm to Sixafan
Not a really great wine . . . and young.
I miss the old days of the young Robert Parker. Decanter ain’t him.
I miss the old days of the young Robert Parker. Decanter ain’t him.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:16 pm to Sixafan
Way too young for that wine.
Also, you can't just go based on those subjective ratings. They're a good "general" idea of whether something is terrible or okay, but it's mostly marketing.
Also, you need to try different varietals and see what you like. It may be that you're more of a Malbec or Tempranillo guy.
As already suggested, the best idea is to go to a good local wine shop and let them guide you.
Also, you can't just go based on those subjective ratings. They're a good "general" idea of whether something is terrible or okay, but it's mostly marketing.
Also, you need to try different varietals and see what you like. It may be that you're more of a Malbec or Tempranillo guy.
As already suggested, the best idea is to go to a good local wine shop and let them guide you.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 8:11 pm to Sixafan
My best advice, besides the wine shop tip, is to find importers you like. Rosenthal, Kermit Lynch, Mary Taylor selections, etc… and try and shop based on the importer rather than the label. Well the importer is on the back label but you get the idea.
I can usually be guided to a bottle I’ll enjoy by asking the somm or shop steward for wines by the importer.
Take Mary Taylor for instance. She is a relative newcomer but bottles basically as a negociant unique wines from Italy and France. They are all under $20 or so and way out punch their weight class. Her Bordeaux is maybe $16 and has that Bordeaux quality you are looking for.
I can usually be guided to a bottle I’ll enjoy by asking the somm or shop steward for wines by the importer.
Take Mary Taylor for instance. She is a relative newcomer but bottles basically as a negociant unique wines from Italy and France. They are all under $20 or so and way out punch their weight class. Her Bordeaux is maybe $16 and has that Bordeaux quality you are looking for.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:45 pm to Sixafan
Download the Vivino app. You can walk through a bottle shop and scan labels for tasting notes and ratings. It’s not an exact science, but anything rated 4.0 or higher tends to be good. We have found many wines that are 4.0 and are under $20 and are fantastic.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:32 pm to Sixafan
Casa Madero 3V. Mexican wine. Oldest winemaker in the new world. Best everyday bottle around.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:17 am to AbitaFan08
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Try to find a small wine shop with a knowledgeable staff.
Do this. And point ratings are a dime a dozen. They are often meaningless depending on who it is that is doing the ratings. You should be able to find some enjoyable wines even at the lower price points.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:10 am to Sixafan
I’ve found some great wine by buying the house red wine at many small restaurants. If I like it, I ask what it is. Many restaurants will find a good, affordable wine to serve at a good price point. They are almost always served by the glass.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:55 am to BlackenedOut
What quality are you referring to? Buying it and waiting years to drink it?
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:56 am to zippyputt
You know most house wines are pretty good . Great tip. Thx
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:22 am to AbitaFan08
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Try to find a small wine shop with a knowledgeable staff.
Yes this is a good suggestion. Get to know them, and they can get to know your tastes.
Know which bottles are "drink now", in the 20-50 dollar range, and which ones may need a year or 10.
Those wine scores are all over the place, and some of the guys/sites that do them are notoriously fast and loose with the ratings.
The bottle you got was too early to drink most likely.
Also, Apps like Vivino, Delectable, Cellar Tracker are useful. Vivino is for the masses so a lot of popular wines and napa cabs get super overrated, but its still useful in aggregate. Delectable and CT have a far tougher crowd that will rate wines a lot harsher, but far less users.
Last, if a bordeaux tastes like a jug wine to you, even a young bordeaux...I don't know what to tell you.
The Reddit Wine board is also a good resource.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:25 am to GEAUXT
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Also, you can't just go based on those subjective ratings. They're a good "general" idea of whether something is terrible or okay, but it's mostly marketing.
This is very true. A lot of marketing and "access" goes into getting those ratings. They are just not always reliable.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:34 am to Fun Bunch
Sorry for all of the posts, I like this topic.
90% of the time I am shopping at a local wine shop.
But I do like to use the Total Wine app. I filter by what I am looking for, and then put in price parameters, and then sort by Expert Rating.
This just gives me a good idea of what is available at certain price points. I then will look at Vivino or one of the other apps and see what people are saying about a particular wine that fits the parameters. (For instance, sometimes you will see a "97 rated wine" and its only like 50 bucks or something. Then look to see what actual people think of it)
90% of the time I am shopping at a local wine shop.
But I do like to use the Total Wine app. I filter by what I am looking for, and then put in price parameters, and then sort by Expert Rating.
This just gives me a good idea of what is available at certain price points. I then will look at Vivino or one of the other apps and see what people are saying about a particular wine that fits the parameters. (For instance, sometimes you will see a "97 rated wine" and its only like 50 bucks or something. Then look to see what actual people think of it)
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:53 am to Sixafan
quote:There is one of the problems.
. Ranked 95 by Decantur 2022 Wine awards
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:16 pm to Sixafan
Yeah I a just not super into Bordeaux because of the time/cost factor.
I also don’t buy cheap Burgundy (stateside you can find decent values in France on smaller named vineyards)
I also don’t buy cheap Burgundy (stateside you can find decent values in France on smaller named vineyards)
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:48 pm to SammyTiger
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I also don’t buy cheap Burgundy (stateside you can find decent values in France on smaller named vineyards)
Oregon Pinot Noir can be a great value and alternative.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:57 pm to VABuckeye
yeah that’s my go too.
gotta go north to get that elegance. I didn’t realize how much further south almost the entire country was than europe until I got into wines and started comparing climates lol.
i just didn’t think about it
gotta go north to get that elegance. I didn’t realize how much further south almost the entire country was than europe until I got into wines and started comparing climates lol.
i just didn’t think about it
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/8/24 at 1:18 pm to Fun Bunch
No. The jug wine tasted better.
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