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re: Is anyone else not pushing their kids to attend college?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:31 pm to thedogman
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:31 pm to thedogman
Simply going to college to "find yourself" is a thing of the past.
If you aren't going into a defined white collar occupation as a result of you getting a degree, college is not worthwhile.
If you aren't going into a defined white collar occupation as a result of you getting a degree, college is not worthwhile.
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:35 pm to thedogman
My son did 2 semesters of electrical at a technical school and is killing it. If he don't want to do that know that hard work, a clean nose and showing up on time will get him a long way too.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:45 pm to thedogman
We’ve always discussed college as something you just do after high school. My kids think it’s automatic
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:04 pm to thedogman
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Not once has my BS college degree gotten me a job.
If for any reason you ever want to work in another country you must have a college degree to get a work visa in most places.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:09 pm to thedogman
Summer jobs are great for High schoolers- to learn about life and responsibility. Expose him to different skills and vocations- he will find his way. My kids tell me the greatest thing they learned from me was work ethic. That is something that is caught and not taught-
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:10 pm to thedogman
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I've been in the same field of work for about 20 years. My point being I make a decent living and owe none of it to my "degree". I don't believe it to be a requirement like it was in the past.
You are conflating your experience 20 years ago with the realities of today.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:31 pm to thedogman
Honestly in my area of construction, I think the best PM’s come from the field without a degree since the kids straight out of college with that brand new CM degree barely know pipe is round and has a hole in it. The problem though is once guys go down the field path it is hard to pull them back into an office setting since they are already making legit money and don’t really have that urge to go get behind a computer. For that reason I stress to any kid in college that wants to almost walk into a solid job after school is go get on a job during the Summer. Get those hands dirty. Not only will you earn the respect of the employees working for you, you can actually have the real world experience of knowing what it us like when you are behind that desk.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:34 pm to thedogman
Kid is in 9th grade. Lighten up, pops.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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I think you may have this backwards. A college degree is a requirement to almost any job worth a shite these days
I have three people working for me in M&A one has a degree and two do not.
They applied internally and nailed the interview and both are making damn good money.
There are so many “fluffy” schools out there and so many BS degrees and so many meaningless classes on the way to those degrees it has really discounted what a college degree means.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:47 pm to thedogman
If you have a set path in a trade you're interested in, then college isn't for everyone, and I totally get it.
But, it is crazy nowadays how many jobs require bachelor's degrees where it would seem to me that a bachelor's degree just isn't necessary for the work being done.
It's even crazy how many jobs that are not very high-paying that even require a Master's degree nowadays.
So, if your kid is on the fence about going to college or not, tell him/her to go spend a summer working in retail, driving rideshare, working at a restaurant, and then figure out if this is the life that he/she wants to live, because almost any office job is going to require a bachelor's degree at the very least.
With that said, having worked in higher ed for years, it was interesting to me the number of students who it seemed didn't want to be there, yet were still sticking it out.
But, it is crazy nowadays how many jobs require bachelor's degrees where it would seem to me that a bachelor's degree just isn't necessary for the work being done.
It's even crazy how many jobs that are not very high-paying that even require a Master's degree nowadays.
So, if your kid is on the fence about going to college or not, tell him/her to go spend a summer working in retail, driving rideshare, working at a restaurant, and then figure out if this is the life that he/she wants to live, because almost any office job is going to require a bachelor's degree at the very least.
With that said, having worked in higher ed for years, it was interesting to me the number of students who it seemed didn't want to be there, yet were still sticking it out.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:53 pm to NIH
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Seems silly to limit their college choices to two professions.
Seems silly to send your kids to college to "figure out what they want to do"
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:57 pm to thedogman
Blue collar is poised to make big money
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:58 pm to GreenRockTiger
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like what?
Trade school.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:00 pm to thedogman
My brother does marketing, logo design, video editing, photography, etc. Almost everything he does is self taught and his kid will be proficient in all of the computer stuff he uses before he finishes high-school.
Still a long way away, but I bet it will be darn near impossible to “push” that kid to college. No need to get a degree on things he can pick up on his own.
With modern technology and the internet, it seems like a lot of areas can revert back to an apprenticeship model. No need for four years and piece of paper.
Still a long way away, but I bet it will be darn near impossible to “push” that kid to college. No need to get a degree on things he can pick up on his own.
With modern technology and the internet, it seems like a lot of areas can revert back to an apprenticeship model. No need for four years and piece of paper.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:09 pm to Philzilla
quote:not all it’s cracked up to be
Trade school.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:09 pm to thedogman
Grandpa-Italian immigrant. Barber. Stressed education.
Dad-Masters. Stressed education. College for me never a debate, a demand.
Me-Masters
My two boys are 13 and their TEACHERS are telling them college isn’t worth it. Mine aren’t on Social Media, but have YouTube. They’re quite sure being streamers is a guarantee for a trip to Easy Street.
Anyway, college is about much more than the formal education. Learning to manage independence, work/live with people of varied backgrounds, responsibility, and the parties/chicks, of course.
Dad-Masters. Stressed education. College for me never a debate, a demand.
Me-Masters
My two boys are 13 and their TEACHERS are telling them college isn’t worth it. Mine aren’t on Social Media, but have YouTube. They’re quite sure being streamers is a guarantee for a trip to Easy Street.
Anyway, college is about much more than the formal education. Learning to manage independence, work/live with people of varied backgrounds, responsibility, and the parties/chicks, of course.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:25 pm to jmarto1
lol what trade? I love how yall act like 60-70k is “big money”
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:25 pm to StringedInstruments
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If he does well in school and your family can financially afford, he is still better off attending a university than going to trade school. Trade jobs are a fine career, but most of them are difficult physically and don’t have the same ceiling that professional careers have.
If you’re avoiding preparing or planning for him to go to college for political reasons, you’re doing him a disservice.
Agreed.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:26 pm to thedogman
The data reflects that there is still a huge earnings gap between those who graduate from college and those who do not. In most instances, attending college is economically advantageous and vastly increases lifetime earnings. My children will attend college. It's in their best interests.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:32 pm to lsu777
Basic supply and demand. We have about a third kf what we need
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