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re: April 30, 1945 - The Death of Adolf Hitler
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:53 pm to kciDAtaE
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:53 pm to kciDAtaE
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I thought England guaranteed Belgium’s neutrality. As soon as Germany moved in and refused to leave, England declared war on Germany.
That’s the thing about neutrality. It isn’t broken until the country who is being violated says so.
Britain can’t declare war on Germany for breaking Belgian neutrality if Belgium allows Germany to use their roadways to get to France.
King Albert’s pride is what broke Belgian neutrality.
Kaiser -“Hey. King. We are going to come through your country to get to France. We don’t want to fight you. We don’t want issues with you. We do not want to subjugate you.
Just let us use your roads to get to France and we cool. If you don’t let us, we will force our way through and still do what we want. “
King Albert. “I know I can’t stop you. But, like, I don’t want you to do that so nah.”
Kaiser. “Bet. See you in 2 days.”
Belgian pride is what got Britain involved.
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You’re also assuming the Schlieffen Plan works to perfection and Germans go on to defeat Russia
Oh… you mean the Russians who were soundly defeated at tannenberg? I’m sure they would hold up even better against a united German army after the defeat of the French in the west.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:59 pm to RollTide1987
He lived out the rest of his life in Argentina.
There are well documented houses that are off limits in the middle of towns in Argentina that have nazi symbols and majority German people living there.
There are well documented houses that are off limits in the middle of towns in Argentina that have nazi symbols and majority German people living there.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:10 pm to beerJeep
I have heard many interesting arguments on who was responsible for starting WWI. Your Belgium submission is not one of them.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:14 pm to kciDAtaE
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have heard many interesting arguments on who was responsible for starting WWI. Your Belgium submission is not one of them.
They aren’t responsible for starting it. That was the black hand and the assassination of the archduke.
The Belgians are responsible for making it what it would become. Foolish pride and an unwillingness to allow access to their roadways.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:14 pm to RollTide1987
20 April 1889
30 April 1945
Fiddy Six years and 10 days
And he died in Berlin, someone would have betrayed him had he escaped.
The world did not see this coming so soon after The War to End All Wars.
30 April 1945
Fiddy Six years and 10 days
And he died in Berlin, someone would have betrayed him had he escaped.
The world did not see this coming so soon after The War to End All Wars.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:36 pm to soccerfüt
Speaking of South America, what most people don't know is there was already a movement of Germans to South America even before World War I.
Nietzsche, the German philosopher, died in 1900. His sister, Elisabeth, had been living in South America with other Germans before his death. Her husband was a proto Nazi and anti-Semite, but later died, so she moved back to Germany.
She was a virulent anti-Semite and Nietzsche always argued with her over it. He refused to attend her wedding when she married her anti-Semite husband. She was still alive during the Nazi rise to power and was a supporter, so the Nazis tried to co-opt Nietzsche's philosophy into their propaganda. But anyone who has read his works will know he explicitly stated he did not care for anti-Semites.
Elisabeth Nietzsche died in 1935 and Hitler himself attended the funeral.
Nietzsche, the German philosopher, died in 1900. His sister, Elisabeth, had been living in South America with other Germans before his death. Her husband was a proto Nazi and anti-Semite, but later died, so she moved back to Germany.
She was a virulent anti-Semite and Nietzsche always argued with her over it. He refused to attend her wedding when she married her anti-Semite husband. She was still alive during the Nazi rise to power and was a supporter, so the Nazis tried to co-opt Nietzsche's philosophy into their propaganda. But anyone who has read his works will know he explicitly stated he did not care for anti-Semites.
Elisabeth Nietzsche died in 1935 and Hitler himself attended the funeral.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:38 pm to soccerfüt
The Russians wanted him just as bad as the Jews.
They were certain the remains found outside the bunker were his and Braun's.
Good enough for me.
I've read his secretary's book, along with plenty of other WWII history, and the likelihood of anything other than Hitler putting a bullet in his head is laughable.
His health alone would have made any escape difficult to impossible. He was a feeble shell of himself at that point.
They were certain the remains found outside the bunker were his and Braun's.
Good enough for me.
I've read his secretary's book, along with plenty of other WWII history, and the likelihood of anything other than Hitler putting a bullet in his head is laughable.
His health alone would have made any escape difficult to impossible. He was a feeble shell of himself at that point.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:07 pm to RollTide1987
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The Death of Adolf Hitler
I didn’t even know he was sick.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:22 am to gumbo2176
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Why??? They started WWI and lost. There's consequences for doing shite like that and they FAFO.
The Treaty of Versailles was so punitive it drove Germany into near bankruptcy. It eventually resulted in the fall of the German government, opening the door for Hitler.
This is why the Marshall Plan was used after WW2. They didn’t want to repeat the same mistake.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:35 am to saintsfan1977
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BS. He went to Argentina.
Interesting, just a few days ago I listened to part of a Rogan podcast, they were discussing this. Pretty compelling talk about Hitler and others getting to Argentina.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:38 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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I can't imagine someone consuming me to where I felt that a whole group of people are subhuman based on anything outside of their actions.
Dude, look how Covid twisted people up. Police were arresting parents who took their children to empty parks, and people were calling for non vaxxed to be put in camps or cut out of society completely.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:44 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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I find Hitler's persona fascinating. How did he compel so many people to commit genocide. I know he was one of the leaders, but he is credited for carrying out the genocide. I can't imagine someone consuming me to where I felt that a whole group of people are subhuman based on anything outside of their actions.
Look at our country today. Right now Jewish students, most of who have never stepped foot in Israel, are being blocked from going to class in a number of universities across the nation.
You also have a huge portion of the largest political party in the nation actively pushing a narrative of all the country’s problems being caused by White people. And there are millions who believe them.
Make no mistake, propaganda is a powerful tool, especially for those among us with a feeble mind. And when your propaganda tells these feeble minded people that all their problems is someone else’s fault, they’re going to lap it up.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:10 am to beerJeep
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Belgian pride is what thrust the world into conflict for years.
BS. France left the Low Countries out to dry with the Maginot Line.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:20 am to Locoguan0
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France left the Low Countries out to dry with the Maginot Line.
Actually, France left themselves out to dry because they thought it would be a bad look to build a defensive wall below the Low Countries. It would make them feel as if France would be abandoning them in the event of another war with Germany.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:31 am to AUstar
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Speaking of South America, what most people don't know is there was already a movement of Germans to South America even before World War I.
Argentina, Uruguay, and Chile are very Euro-diverse. Most people think of any country south of Texas as "mexican-spanish" with very dark skin. That's not true.
The southern half of SA has lots of German, Italian, English, even Welsh roots in addition to their Spanish roots. There was heavy English and French industrial investments around 1900 and people moved to support this infrastructure.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:37 am to TigerKW
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exactly - they were broken by the treaty - he was a light at the end of the tunnel for them - I'm as old school conservative as it gets - if you are going to impose those types of sanctions you better have the fortitude to enforce them - no one did so ww2 started the day ww1 ended - he was allowed to fill a vacuum and the rest is history
We have learned repeatedly that a conquering nation cannot defacto enslave the conquered and strip them of all wealth and means as this will backfire. Like it or not, there is a need to retain a team of administrators from the conquered administration to run things. There is also a need to leave some "wealth" in place (not luxuries, but basic assets and monies) to allow the nation to function as more than a basket case.
We learned this the hard way after WW1. We used that lesson after WW2 to keep Germany operating and prevent collapse, which would've built popular support for communism. We forgot this at the end of the second gulf war, and the result was the collapse of Iraq and ISIS filling the void.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:41 am to Northshoretiger87
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left him to keep battling the soviets.
The Soviets would have crushed Germany even worse.
Germany couldn't win a drawn out war of attrition.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:49 am to Locoguan0
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BS. France left the Low Countries out to dry with the Maginot Line.
You have to look at the French strategy to understand why the Maginot Line stopped at the border with the Low Countries. For starters, the French wanted to avoid having another war fought on their territory after the devastation WWI wrought upon Northern France. The plan France came up with was commonly known as the “Dyle Plan” or “Plan D”. France anticipated the Germans to once again use Belgium as its main invasion route as they had done in 1914. The Dyle Plan envisioned the Maginot Line holding in the south along the Franco-German border while the French 1st Army Group in the north rushed to the Dyle River in Belgium to stop the Germans there.
What the French failed to realize though is the Wehrmacht would use the Ardennes Forest in Southern Belgium as a major avenue of attack. The French considered it impossible to move a large force though the Ardennes (a mistake the Allies would inextricably repeat four years later) and only put light forces to hold this sector. But the Germans, as part of their war plan “Case Yellow” did in fact push an entire Panzergruppe of five Panzer Divisions right through the Ardennes in relatively quick fashion. This move meant that the Allied forces pushing into Belgium further to the north were effectively putting their head into a noose. Once von Kliest’s Panzergruppe broke though the thin French screen holding the Ardennes sector, there was little to nothing to stop them from reaching the channel ports, thus encircling the entire BEF and the French 1st Army Group. It also meant there was little standing between the Wehrmacht and Paris. This is why the French Campaign lasted only six weeks.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:38 am to BuckyCheese
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His health alone would have made any escape difficult to impossible. He was a feeble shell of himself at that point.
Agree with this point. He was basically stage 5 meth head at the end, could barely walk and form sentences his brain was so mangled by the drugs his personal doctor had been giving him for years.
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