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re: New Biden Coal Rules ‘The End of Coal as a Power Source’

Posted on 4/29/24 at 4:54 am to
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
22967 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 4:54 am to
If coal plants are shut down are there enough alternate sources to power this country, enough electricity for the manufacturing that need a lot power?

I'd like to know the sources of electricity for DC, NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, and Los Angeles.

I think I'll spend a little time today looking that info up.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
29647 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 5:08 am to
China proceeds to build 1 new coal fired power plant a month. On average.


Joe says don't, the rest of the world does it anyways.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
53432 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:07 am to
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Oh, they are already attacking natural gas. EPA is putting out rules on oil and gas production faster than PotatoHead is printing money


Agreed. My point on that is that once they get NG to that point, it's going to impact more people and cost far more than what they are doing to coal. LINK

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In 2021, fossil fuels remained the most common fuel type for electricity production in the U.S. The primary fuel type was natural gas, accounting for about 38.4% of total energy production nationwide. Coal was the second most common fuel type, accounting for 21.9% of electricity production. Nuclear was third at 18.9%.
Posted by Marye
Member since Oct 2020
481 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:14 am to
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Because there currently isn’t any technology capable of complying with all the rules


I guess this means we will never become a "type 1 civilization"?

"A civilization known as "Type I" is able to collect and use all the available energy on its planet, that is, the theoretical equivalent of 10 to the16th watts. According to Kardashev, it is the type of civilization that Earth was closest to achieving in 1964. A civilization known as "Type II" would surpass the first by a factor of 10 billion, reaching a consumption of 10 to the 26th watts, this time using all the power emitted by its star. Finally, a civilization known as "Type III" would be able to collect and consume all the energy emitted by its galaxy, which is equivalent to 10 to the 37th watts."
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 6:18 am
Posted by Espritdescorps
Member since Nov 2020
1833 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:19 am to
Like over half of the worlds population survives on coal as a primary fuel source.. all part of their plan to further impoverish the worlds and take over other countries
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
27559 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:01 am to
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Wind and solar will bankrupt this country

Ridiculous. Wind and solar are our only feasible alternative energy sources now. Blue hydrogen production is still too costly for broad scale applications.

Seriously we have to do something to increase production of renewables. Our climate's a joke, but people are suffering. Did you see all the reports of tornadoes, large hail, hurricane-force winds, flooding and general mayhem over East Texas and north Louisiana last night?
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
18093 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:03 am to
Troll confirmed.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:10 am to
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Explain to me as if I’m 5 years old

I’m not a school teacher. I’m content to let you stay uninformed.

You work for the utility company don’t you? You seem like the type.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
3119 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:11 am to
You won't care about the climate when you have no electricity to power anything. I mean how will you be able to see the black guy pounding your wife in your bed without lights on?
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
7828 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:14 am to
To make wind and solar profitable ......the taxpayers pay the freight. Something else has to take the place of this trash.

Again, wind and solar are not, nor were they ever intended to main power sources, they are Co-Gens .....

Still betting on a breakthrough in small nukes.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:14 am to
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I find it hard to believe solar or wind are cheaper for equivalent power generation. And that is before taking into account replacement cycles and sheer land area.

Do some digging on the levelized $/MWh for each type of generation and even the capex $/MWp.

Coal has been losing this battle for along time. You identified one big issue with transportation but you also have high o&m and there obviously the cost of coal itself.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
99597 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:19 am to
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Because there currently isn’t any technology capable of complying with all the rules,


Which, on its face, should be a reason for the rules to be illegal.

This is not Star Trek where Mr Scott can pull a solution out of his arse to circumvent the laws of physics.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
10256 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:22 am to
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
4257 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:33 am to
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China and India must be laughing


They are indeed.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
7828 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:34 am to
Yeah, for part time ......but let's not factor in the government hand outs to make it feasible.

Former CEO for Mitsubishi heavy Industries put it best .....

About 4 hours for solar and about 5-6 hours for wind .......

Some folks have never been to either ......
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:39 am to
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Yeah, for part time ......but let's not factor in the government hand outs to make it feasible.

How much do you think the tax credit impacts the $/MWh? Let’s also not pretend that we don’t subsidize the others.
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About 4 hours for solar and about 5-6 hours for wind

Is that supposed to be a comment on availability, yield or what?
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
18093 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:42 am to
It is all a farce.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
3232 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:45 am to
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Did you see all the reports of tornadoes, large hail, hurricane-force winds, flooding and general mayhem over East Texas and north Louisiana last night?


You do realize that this happens pretty much every spring right? Has nothing to do with global warming or climate change.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
10256 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:51 am to
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tornadoes, large hail,


Also destroys solar panels which in-turn become toxic waste to get rid of.

How long does it take them to get replaced?

This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 8:56 am
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:13 am to
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How long does it take them to get replaced?

Not long. Especially right now. There’s a shite load of module inventory available.
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