re: If america was attacked by a foreign nation and the draft was implemented would you serve?

With the current state of affairs, I would seriously have to consider if the government was staging the attack. I don’t believe most of what comes out of our government anymore. I especially do not trust our intelligence agencies to tell us the truth.

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I'll fight for the land and people.

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Well the hypothetical you answered "no" to was a direct attack on US soil. I can't imagine why you answered that you wouldn't if you really would.

As for this parroted populist nonsense: "

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My kids arent gonna die because Afghanistan or Iraq need "Moar Democracy."

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I really am genuinely surprised.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what happens if the most powerful country in the world decides to leave the rest of the world to its own devices. Sooner or later you end up having to intervene anyway, only the conflict has grown exponentially bigger because you allowed it to get that way.

Speaking of which, anybody who told you that the US shouldn't have participated in WWI and WWII is such an imbecile that you should be ashamed for listening to anything they said.

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Tell me what WWI actually accomplished besides the erasing of an entire generation of men.

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Who said it "accomplished" anything? That's not the point.

The point is that Wilson had no choice.

He had warned the Germans for two years about unrestricted submarine warfare, the Germans had intentionally killed hundreds of American civilians (128 in the Lusitania alone) traveling by sea—in addition to the Lusitania we're talking about three American ships bombed in rapid succession, all sailing under the Stars and Stripes—and they frigging detonated munitions in New Jersey as a terrorist attack. Not to mention the Zimmerman Telegram.

Had the US not entered the war, we would have lost all international credibility and then we would have become an even bigger target. That's why Wilson told a joint meeting of Congress in January of 1917 that we wouldn't be entering that war and then changed his mind only 10-11 weeks later. The Germans gave him no choice, pretty much like the Japanese did by bombing Pearl Harbor.

So if you want to frame it in terms of what it "accomplished," I guess it accomplished the retention of international respect and increased the safety of our citizenry as a result, both abroad and at home.

But you populist pacifists have this whole thing figured wrong.

No wars are "good" wars, and no one wants to fight them. That's the whole point.

Being a populist pussy guarantees that you will end up fighting more of them, not fewer of them.

Per Roger above, nobody cares about whether Iraq or Afghanistan embrace democracy—not for their sake, anyway. That's not why it's important to US interests. No American soldiers are fighting for them. They are fighting for us.

It's important for the same reason enforcing the warnings to the Germans was important in 1917. Because if you do not show strength, you will end up attracting more and more hyenas.

Not "maybe," not "you might," you WILL. Guaranteed. Every time. Because that's the way the world works. In case you haven't noticed, the US is at the top of the hill, and when you are King of The Hill, everyone wants to knock you off.

Why do you think all of this international crap is going on during Biden's presidency? Contrary to the populist bullshite narrative on the subject, it's not because he wants to start a war, it's because the world's Bad Actors know that he won't start one almost no matter what they do.

Perhaps the biggest reason I am so disappointed in Roger on this issue is that_to think like you guys—you have to shift into first gear IQ-wise...completely binary and smooth-brained.

"If we go somewhere else to fight, that's not for American interests. Only of we fight in my backyard. That's the only time it benefits America. So anywhere outside of my backyard, I can say that my children aren't going to die for blah, blah, blah."

It's very unintelligent.

Obviously that doesn't mean that every military action we deploy is well-advised or will accomplish a benefit for America. They have to be assessed on their own merits.

But you're (royal "you," not you personally) being a dullard to lump every military action that isn't fought in the Gulf of Mexico or New York City or the SF Bay as something not worth engaging in. Usually the biggest accomplishment is letting the rest of the world know that you are not fricking around.

That's a highly underrated result IMO.

In a Militia.

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I have no confidence or trust whatsoever in this administration or the DoD.

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...but you did for the previous two?

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He had warned the Germans for two years about unrestricted submarine warfare, the Germans had intentionally killed hundreds of American civilians (128 in the Lusitania alone) traveling by sea

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There are lots of new facts about the Lusitania Sinking that you should read up on. That ship was hauling explosives from the US to the UK's field artillery shell-making factory near Liverpool. The British Govt decided to combine that war materiel with civilian passengers. THEN the UK Govt denied it for almost 100 years until some scuba divers dived on the wreck and confirmed the contents of the Lusitania.

Lusitania is a bad example here.

No, already had my turn.

I'm to old to be drafted. I signed up for it years ago.

Our government would already be in shambles wondering what the frick happened and, the fragile fricks that are of fighting age, would run to Canada or Mexico both of which, would sell out to the highest bidder behind our backs.

I bet the borders would be close with all swiftness at that point.

If this storm comes, I'm prepared as I can be.

People have issues with the US stepping in for a variety of reasons, usually relating to poor decisions by the country’s leadership years before. Some examples:
1) Clinton promising Yeltsin Ukraine would never join NATO, and then the US changing it’s position
2) Bush invading Iraq
3) Europe first stepping on Germany’s neck economically after WWI, and then consistently appeasing Hitler while Germany was still weak

There are plenty more, but people are tired of spilling blood for decisions made by clowns.