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History Channel: Vatican Secret Archives
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:12 am
Been watching some of this and what do they have to hide that needs to be kept secret? I know there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there but some of this stuff is interesting to contemplate
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:20 am to PalmettoPlayer13
My guess is not that it’s “secret” , it’s that it is off limits to the public, as we don’t need thousands of hands touching books from the 500’s .
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:22 am to PalmettoPlayer13
Most of it is accounts and records from Constantinople after the Sacking in 1204. The Vatican had always hated the Roman Empire after they left Italy for the East.
Most of the documents are from the various Church Councils held by the Roman Empire from 330-1100 AD.
Why?
Because the documents tend to give full authority to the Emperor, and Eastern Patriarchates and Bishoprics. This takes away from the Papal Supremacy doctrine. Before Charlemagne, Popes had to be approved by the Roman Emperor in Constantinople (New Rome).
Why still keep some secret? Mostly because it's been a policy for centuries, so why not.
Also it's not like they are "secret" archives. Just not open to the public.
Most of the documents are from the various Church Councils held by the Roman Empire from 330-1100 AD.
Why?
Because the documents tend to give full authority to the Emperor, and Eastern Patriarchates and Bishoprics. This takes away from the Papal Supremacy doctrine. Before Charlemagne, Popes had to be approved by the Roman Emperor in Constantinople (New Rome).
Why still keep some secret? Mostly because it's been a policy for centuries, so why not.
Also it's not like they are "secret" archives. Just not open to the public.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:25 am to PalmettoPlayer13
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History Channel: Vatican Secret Archives
Doubtful they'll show any real secrets worth a shite
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:51 am to PalmettoPlayer13
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Been watching some of this and what do they have to hide that needs to be kept secret?
Jesus was black man, had a wife, and Obama is an ancestor.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:00 am to patnuh
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Jesus was black man, had a wife, and Obama is an ancestor.
Obama is an ancestor of Jesus? How old is Obama?
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:11 am to PalmettoPlayer13
I see something that some "influencer" discovered in the Vatican "secret archives" almost daily. Apparently, they're the worst kept secrets ever and they're letting pretty much anyone with a social media account poke around down there.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 12:16 pm to PalmettoPlayer13
“what do they have to hide that needs to be kept secret?”
Other people money and treasures…
Other people money and treasures…
Posted on 3/30/24 at 12:49 pm to PalmettoPlayer13
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Vatican Secret
The steam from my chicken fajita clouded my eyes and I read that as Victoria’s Secret
Posted on 3/30/24 at 1:00 pm to PalmettoPlayer13
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Vatican Secret Archives
There is more money in the basement than most countries. Meanwhile, certain diocese are filing for bankruptcy. Makes you wonder why the church allowed churches to close after Katrina.
Catholic Church has become so large that their goal is to protect the organization.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 2:19 pm to patnuh
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Jesus was black man, had a wife, and Obama is an ancestor.
Had a wife, that's for sure. A 30 something unmarried Jewish man in those times would have been looked at with a jaundiced eye.
The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail is an interesting read, though somewhat dubious.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 2:27 pm to LSUGrad2024
Why don't they digitize them and make them open to the public?
Posted on 3/30/24 at 2:39 pm to PalmettoPlayer13
Biggest secret is there’s treasure on Oak Island.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 2:51 pm to OchoDedos
quote:I’ve been told that there’s an off-the-books belief amongst Mormons to this effect.
Had a wife, that's for sure. A 30 something unmarried Jewish man in those times would have been looked at with a jaundiced eye.
The ones who hold this think the Wedding at Cana was actually his own.
Just reporting this, not advocating it.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 4:49 pm to WONTONGO
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Why don't they digitize them and make them open to the public?
Pretty sure they have for some. Quick wiki search:
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The Vatican Apostolic Archive (Latin: Archivum Apostolicum Vaticanum; Italian: Archivio Apostolico Vaticano), formerly known as the Vatican Secret Archive, is the central repository in the Vatican City of all acts promulgated by the Holy See.
The Pope, as the Sovereign of Vatican City, owns the material held in the archive until his death or resignation, with ownership passing to his successor. The archive also contains state papers, correspondence, account books, and many other documents that the church has accumulated over the centuries.
Pope Paul V separated the Secret Archive from the Vatican Library, where scholars had some very limited access, and the archive remained closed to outsiders until the late 19th century, when Pope Leo XIII opened the archive to researchers, more than a thousand of whom now examine some of its documents each year.
“Secret” Name
The use of the word secret in the former title, "Vatican Secret Archive", does not denote the modern meaning of confidentiality. A fuller and perhaps better translation of the archive's former Latin name may be the "private Vatican Apostolic archive", indicating that its holdings are the pope's personal property, not those of any particular department of the Roman Curia or the Holy See. The word secret continues to be used in this older, original sense in the English language, in phrases such as secret servants, secret cupbearer, or secretary, much like an esteemed position of honour and regard comparable to a VIP.[6] One study in 1969 stated that use of the term secret was merited, as the archives' cataloguing system was so inadequate that it remained "an extensive buried city, a Herculaneum inundated by the lava of time ... secret as an archeological dig is secret".[7]
Despite the change in name, parts of the archive do remain classified in the modern sense of the word secret; most of these classified materials, which are actively denied to outsiders, relate to contemporary personalities and activities, including everything dated after 1958, as well as the private records of church figures after 1922.
On 28 October 2019, Pope Francis issued an Apostolic Letter motu proprio dated 22 October, renaming the archives from the Vatican Secret Archive to the Vatican Apostolic Archive.
That being said, if you were the Catholic Church, why would you? Documents that make Papal Supremacy look like a modern notion (which it is). Documents that show how ruthless the Western Kingdoms were in destroying the Romans (which they were). And documents showing the anger the Pope had at the Crusaders who sacked Constantinople in 1204, destroying the Roman Empire (which shows how little control the Pope had).
What's the old adage? Better to appear in power and ruthless, than not in control.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 5:36 pm to LSUGrad2024
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Why don't they digitize them and make them open to the public?
I guarantee you this- If there was a secret book that said it’s OK for dudes to sleep with dudes and same for ladies and gender is fluid and polyamory is approved by God that shite would have been out long ago.
These days really make you believe the aliens are running the show to test the earf
Posted on 3/30/24 at 5:48 pm to Butch Baum
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These days really make you believe the aliens are running the show to test the earf
Never knew until watching this the Vatican operates a telescope/research center in the middle of nowhere Arizona. Kinda strange
Posted on 3/30/24 at 5:52 pm to OchoDedos
quote:no, many rabbis studied for years and put off marriage
Had a wife, that's for sure. A 30 something unmarried Jewish man in those times would have been looked at with a jaundiced eye.
Some ppl referred to Jesus as Rabbi
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