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re: Hail storm in Damon, Texas destroys thousands of acres of Solar Farms
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:40 pm to LemmyLives
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:40 pm to LemmyLives
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foreseen hailstorms in Texas?
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Please tell me you're being ironic.
I guess I should have used the sarcasm font.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:52 pm to Darth_Vader
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I guess I should have used the sarcasm font.
Hey, I asked before going off, lol. The amount of times I parked my truck under the overhang to make sure damage only happened to the bed, and not to the cab or the hood,
I can't tell where everyone is from, so I try to be gentle. But give me 30m, and I'll get RA'D.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:52 pm to LemmyLives
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This sounds like you know land agent shite
I mean I sold 128 tract here near me to Pulte Land Mgt thinking they were going to develope it for residential use .... it's now 100 acre solar farm.
I made a killing but it's still, retrospectively speaking, the worst land deal I ever made.
In the meantime a close farmer friend/neighbor of mine just signed a lease on 500 acres of former farmland .... generational wealth, payments for 40 years.
Another, my best friend up in the midwest is a partner with a major, the biggest, solar farm developers in the world. I'm Godfather to his daughter. So I know the ins and outs of how it works.
We have a 1500 acre ranch in our family trust in West Texas, considered a micro ranch out there, what's left of 20,000 acres that had been in my family since the late 1920s that we've kept for hunting .... and we can't get the fricking Texas Land Conservatories and the solar farm developers to leave us alone .... we have, as most do, a nice airstrip that we lease to the surveyors and asshats working the area but we also have natural water, houses/cabins, an oasis if you will. Our ranch is appropriately name after our family and the fact that it was an oasis stop across the desert by native Americans .... and the water means a lot of game.
All the mesas overlooking our ranch are lined with wind turbines, some of them ours
So I've been dealing with these brokerage people for over a decade now and I know, for the most part, how the sauce is made.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:55 pm to JohnnyBgood
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I hope the solar company claims force majeure and rolls out of there, leaving it a wasteland.
Won’t happen. All of these have plenty of insurance. They’ll replace them and keep on rocking.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:02 pm to billjamin
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Won’t happen. All of these have plenty of insurance. They’ll replace them and keep on rocking.
Insurance will file force majeure to halt payments and stall rebuild/repair.
In all likelihood it will mean complete replacement of all the panels ... which they will upgrade in the process. But force majeure will allow for a pause, a stall, in payments to the landowners.
Removing and replacing those panels is way more expensive than installing new ones on clean racks.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:05 pm to scrooster
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Insurance will file force majeure to halt payments and stall rebuild/repair. In all likelihood it will mean complete replacement of all the panels ... which they will upgrade in the process. But force majeure will allow for a pause, a stall, in payments to the landowners. Removing and replacing those panels is way more expensive than installing new ones on clean racks.
The insurance will pay. I’ve done a couple big insurance deals for resi solar. They bitch and moan but end up paying.
The land owner payments will most likely pause since there won’t be any PPA income and technically the asset is zero-prod and that will allow them to pause it.
R&R is indeed a pain in the arse but it’s all baked into the rates.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:07 pm to MrLSU
Holy shite look at all that prime ag land.
A envirofreak democrat is the stupidest son of a bitch to ever walk this planet.
A envirofreak democrat is the stupidest son of a bitch to ever walk this planet.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:08 pm to MrLSU
So converting a gazillion acres of viable land to solar panel farms has potential drawbacks???? I'm shocked.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Maybe one of those wackos will design a roof to put over the panels to protect them from the hail?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:14 pm to billjamin
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Won’t happen. All of these have plenty of insurance. They’ll replace them and keep on rocking.
And the insurance company will then recover their expenses by raising rates?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:18 pm to Willie Stroker
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And the insurance company will then recover their expenses by raising rates?
Depending on their exposure. But at least this is private insurance and not subsidized like others.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:21 pm to billjamin
I actually don’t think this asset is in-service yet. If this is fighting jays in fort bend county it’s still under construction. Due for interconnection in Q4.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:28 pm to MrLSU
It isn't like Texas has large hail often. Most people in North and West Texas are likely to never pay for a roof without insurance $. Sherman Tx had a hailstorm in 1996 and in 2003 that bought me a new roof.
Who thought glass panels wouldn't get hail damaged at some point?
Who thought glass panels wouldn't get hail damaged at some point?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:44 pm to dovehunter
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Maybe one of those wackos will design a roof to put over the panels to protect them from the hail?
They've already got them installed in some places but they've had problems when they deploy the canopies in high winds that often precede the hail storms ..... the tilt up canopies have been blown off or damaged where they're unable to retract.
What they've trying to do now is a rolled-out padding system but there are inherent problems with that as well.
They only real solution is impact resistant layered tempered class (in effect bulletproof) but that doubles the costs of the panels in addition to lowering their efficiency.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:48 pm to udtiger
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Hail plays hell on solar panels. Almost as bad as the damage it causes to pipelines.
Maybe they can cover the solar panels with shelters so they don’t get damaged? Lol
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:48 pm to scrooster
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They only real solution is impact resistant layered tempered class (in effect bulletproof) but that doubles the costs of the panels in addition to lowering their efficiency.
There’s some new high impact modules on N type platforms that don’t have the efficiency issue and offset the extra expense with the lower degradation. I’m not sure when they’ll hit the utility scale market but there are a few wrapping up California and Florida regulatory testing.
Another option is tracked systems that can minimize the damage as long as they have someone paying attention to keep them from pointing straight in the direction of impact.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:57 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Your tax $ will be used to replace them. As it was used to lease/buy the land and install it.
You mean as it was to bail out natural gas utilities after the big freeze in Texas 2 years ago to the tune of $3.5 billion?
But solar panels are insured by private companies.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:17 pm to MrLSU
This is why they are bringing 20' SOC batteries to supposedly store the power.
I'm not sure how well it is going to work. But my Logistics company is making a killing bringing these in. And they are going all over Texas.
I'm not sure how well it is going to work. But my Logistics company is making a killing bringing these in. And they are going all over Texas.
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