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The best explanation of what’s going on at Boeing

Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:04 pm
Posted by RedRifle
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:04 pm
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FischerKing
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I can explain Boeing quickly. It attained a market dominant position in the USA following the merger with McDonnell Douglas. This made it lazy. It then got new management, which emphasized financial chicanery over top flight engineering, symbolized in its move of its corporate HQ from Seattle to Chicago. The financial geniuses then worked to break the union, shift production away from its trained Seattle work force to places like South Carolina, and outsource production of most plane components abroad - the American work force was left to assemble all these disparate parts rather than produce them here. Software was also outsourced. The end result was lower quality of aircraft, delays in development and production, and even fatalities from crashes. But rest assured the management in Chicago did very well.

Meanwhile, by focusing on MBAs and JDs rather than engineers, top management fell victim to all the pathologies coming out of top schools. This is where the DEI nonsense comes from, which would have been much harder to impose if management were more focused on building good planes than stock buybacks. So the outsourcing, cost cutting, diminishing the original work force - all this is now working in tandem with the sort of diversity/DEI dysfunction visible all over corporate America. It’s a feedback loop that could be fatal to Boeing, and has already been fatal to someone airline passengers.

This is basically it. It’s not an elaborate conspiracy. It’s a tale of greed and dysfunction that you can see all over America.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
11485 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:14 pm to
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The financial geniuses then worked to break the union, shift production away from its trained Seattle work force to places like South Carolina

I don’t agree with this part.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:17 pm to
Elon needs to buy Boeing.


Or just start his own airplane engineering and manufacturing company
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68693 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:19 pm to
Some of this is crappy maintenance by the airlines.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164619 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:22 pm to
Half of that reads like a guy from Seattle who doesn’t like Boeing moving to other places.

“Trained Seattle workforce” lol. Like only the hippies in Seattle can build planes and they never hired anyone from anywhere else.
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:24 pm to
The next major US air disaster will be directly tied to DEI.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:35 pm to
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Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
5176 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:45 pm to
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The financial geniuses then worked to break the union, shift production away from its trained Seattle work force to places like South Carolina, and outsource production of most plane components abroad - the American work force was left to assemble all these disparate parts rather than produce them here


Someone need to tell that guy his research sucks. As bad as Boeing is the 787 is made in CHS...it was delayed terribly due to engineering/design flaws in Seattle. The 787 hasnt had the real issues in flight. That is the 737 made in Renton Washington....UNION 100%, CHS has voted not to unionize.
Posted by Stoic Poser
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:49 pm to
Posted by SouthPlains
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:11 pm to
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JDs


Notoriously conservative and risk averse people somehow contributed to making Boeing…more dangerous?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:31 pm to
As an MBA and JD I resent that remark but agree with it too. We were taught differently when I was in school. Gordon Gecko was seen as a villain not a hero. So was KKR

Boeing was a great company, MD was always profits over people. It’s unreal that the MD management took over. It’s like ford merging with fiat and the fiat management takes over.

There is a great documentary on Netflix on all this


Posted by PGAOLDBawNeVaBroke
Member since Dec 2023
943 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:36 pm to
DEI and engineering related industries do not mix and endanger lives. DEI and any industry do not mix.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5786 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:40 pm to
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It then got new management, which emphasized financial chicanery over top flight engineering, symbolized in its move of its corporate HQ from Seattle to Chicago.


And now it’s moving headquarters to Arlington, VA to be closer to govt.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61489 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:49 pm to
It's a product of "money only" Americans. The same ones dumping millions of illegals into the country for cheaper labor. They don't care about culture, values, or broader society. What's in my bottom line?


It's not enough to be a millionaire, they have to be multi-millionaires and then billionaires.


There's got to be a better way to get rich in America that doesn't include exploiting it along the way and ruining it.
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
1473 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

This is basically it. It’s not an elaborate conspiracy. It’s a tale of greed and dysfunction that you can see all over America.
every company, govt entity, firm seems like they just want all the cash they can get from every customer, client, fee payer. They want it now and don’t care about quality service accountability! GIVE ALL NOW!!! F all!!!
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
1473 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:09 pm to
Double post.
This post was edited on 3/15/24 at 9:12 pm
Posted by Asleepinthecove
Member since Jan 2023
994 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:20 pm to
It’s Nikki Haley’s fault!
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17900 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:26 pm to
I’ll allow it
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114216 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:39 pm to
John Oliver (love or hate him) shows some interesting information about Boeing's stock and how they might have been more concerned about manipulating their stock prices than the safety of their products.

Youtube.com
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37302 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:40 pm to
Guy has a point.

B School professors push two things these days

1) Financial metrics over everything

2) DEI is necessary for business

Combine these two and it’s a recipe for disaster

See it’s not the bean counters or DEI

It’s the intersection of both
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