re: Facts are facts..

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are CJ and Trey are supposed to each take 15 3s a game?

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I mean the past 4 games before last night CJ was averaging 8 attempts snd Trey around 10 attempts. Thats about 18 attempts. So yes they are suppose to take 15 a game. They both missed everything last night. We’ll lose if they both miss that badly- regular season ir playoff game.

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I meant each. 35 3PAs is league average. If Trey and Naji are your 6th and 7th. how do you get to 35 3PAs if BI isnt going to take any?

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I agree BI should take more but at some point there needs to be an acceptance as a player thats not who he is. He might have random games against shitty teams where he does but majority of time he doesn’t shoot 3s. Him and Zion are technically inside players. If thats the case you need to play more shooters in your lineup even if they are defense deficient to a degree. I mean basically this team isn’t constructed properly nor is it coached properly.

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I agree BI should take more but at some point there needs to be an acceptance as a player thats not who he is. He might have random games against shitty teams where he does but majority of time he doesn’t shoot 3s. Him and Zion are technically inside players. If thats the case you need to play more shooters in your lineup even if they are defense deficient to a degree. I mean basically this team isn’t constructed properly nor is it coached properly.

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Correct

Our best 2 players who have the highest usage rates on our team average a combined total of 4.1 3pt attempts per game.


That would make us pretty darn unique. Without looking, I'd imagine there's no other playoff level team even near that number, and I'd go further and guess we haven't seen that or very few times in quite a number of years.

All that is to say, if your 2 highest usage/best players don't shoot 3s, it's hard to think that the best version of your team is to only have 2 volume shooters in your rotation.

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3-pointers are overrated. If you can produce the same points per shot with 2-pointers, you will give up less transition opportunities because you are missing less shots, and the ones you do miss are not giving up long rebounds and leak-outs.

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This is astronomically false. The whole league is dependent on 3s. You can’t produce same points per shot with 2s in todays NBA. You don’t make or take 3s in the NBA- you will lose.

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at some point there needs to be an acceptance as a player thats not who he is. He might have random games against shitty teams where he does but majority of time he doesn’t shoot 3s.

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yep. And that's exactly why he needs to be shipped out. He doesnt fit on this team if he isnt going to shoot 3s

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That would make us pretty darn unique. Without looking, I'd imagine there's no other playoff level team even near that number, and I'd go further and guess we haven't seen that or very few times in quite a number of years.

All that is to say, if your 2 highest usage/best players don't shoot 3s, it's hard to think that the best version of your team is to only have 2 volume shooters in your rotation.

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I did this exercise. Jimmy and Bam were the only other duo i came up with. The difference is both those guys are incredible defensive players so you can afford to put some poor defenders who shoot a high volume of 3s around them.

While BI and Zion have been playing better defense, i still wouldnt call them good defenders so you need to surround them with guys who are both good defenders and high volume shooters. Basically much much much harder to do

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3-pointers are overrated. If you can produce the same points per shot with 2-pointers, you will give up less transition opportunities because you are missing less shots, and the ones you do miss are not giving up long rebounds and leak-outs.

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This is so wrong it's impressive. It's very hard to produce the same points per shot with 2-pointers as 3-pointers. You have a much smaller margin of error. That's pretty much the entire premise behind the analytics movement.

The Pelicans front office and coaching staff agree with me considering they've been trying to get BI to take more 3s for years. So to them, 3s are not overrated

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There are other solutions as well. Such as implementing Hawkins and Ryan in your rotation more. You don’t HAVE TO have only 2 legit shooters in the rotation. I would try that first before just trading BI personally.

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I agree and both those guys should play more but rotations dont go that deep in the playoffs. Starters routinely play close to 40 mpg and our entire starting lineup only averages 17 3PAs.

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This is astronomically false. The whole league is dependent on 3s.

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you didn't hear what he said did you?
Shooting less 3's means less transition opportunties for the opposing team.

Having an efficient offense does wonders for you defense. Making teams play half court offense is the best way to start our defense.


Despite not shooting as many 3's as others, we still have a top 10 TS% as a team, as well as a top 10 ORtg.

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You can’t produce same points per shot with 2s in todays NBA.

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I just showed you that BI was just as efficient shooting his mid range shot this past game as he is shooting 3's.

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You don’t make or take 3s in the NBA- you will lose.

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I agree, but that doesn't mean you force guys who aren't that great at it. I've explained it before, BI simply doesn't get his 3 point shot off quickly and he needs space, and he doesn't always get that. He's always stepping into his shot when he shoots 3's and taking his time.
IF Trey/CJ/Herb take 24 3's, that's a good number. Naji/Jose/BI/JV/Larry need to take about 12. and yeah, Jordan Hawkins needs to play and he needs to jack up 4-6 of them.
WHy would we want guys that shoot 36% and less from 3 to take more 3's? I want Trey/CJ/Herb to take even more 3's. If we lose b/c two of them were off, then so be it. We're going to lose.


Everyeone is all over BI to take more than his 4 threes a game. Why? Does he really need to take 8 a game? what's wrong with 5? Does that make any difference if it's simply 5?
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BI IS NOT THE REASON WE AVERAGE A LOW NUMBER OF 3'S PER GAME AS A TEAM.
We give 79 of the 240 available minutes to 3 guys who either don't shoot 3's, are never shoot them, in Zion/JV/Larry. They average less than 3 attempts a game.
What other team has a 4 and a 5 that don't shoot any 3's?

We need a center that can shoot.
Look at some of the top 3 point shooting teams
Celtics - Porzingis takes 5 a game, Horford take 4.
Bucks - Lopez takes 5 a game, Portis takes 3.
Pacers - Turner takes 4 a game, Siakam and Toppin each take 3.


One of Larry or JV needs to go this offseason, and we need to find a 5 that can shoot to offset Zion's inability to shoot 3's.

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you didn't hear what he said did you? Shooting less 3's means less transition opportunties for the opposing team. Having an efficient offense does wonders for you defense. Making teams play half court offense is the best way to start our defense. Despite not shooting as many 3's as others, we still have a top 10 TS% as a team, as well as a top 10 ORtg.

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Let me get this straight- this organization, every NBA media guy, the coaches, players, majority of this board wants this team to shoot more 3s and you believe they’re all wrong and we should shoot less 3s???!! Theres no point for me to argue this if you actually think that is smart basketball.

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I just showed you that BI was just as efficient shooting his mid range shot this past game as he is shooting 3's.

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So you think being more efficient at shooting 2s somehow makes it a solution to just have BI shoot more 2s? Your answer is BI just forget 3s and make more 2s??!!

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BI IS NOT THE REASON WE AVERAGE A LOW NUMBER OF 3'S PER GAME AS A TEAM.

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Lol hes a huge reason why. Him and Zion take the most shots on the team and he doesn’t take 3s. I mean its simple math.