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re: Facts are facts..
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The year they won the championship Giannis (3.6) and Middleton (5.4) Zion (0.3) and BI (3.9) The difference here is more on Zion, not BI, and Giannis shoots below 30% from 3, so not sure you can say him taking more than Zion does anything more positive for them than us. All 3.6 of his 3's was a huge victory for the defense.
What are we comparing here really???!! We’re blaming Zion now for not taking 3s??! Like this is his fault not BIs. Jesus tell me you’re a BI fan without literally saying your a BI fan.
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Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:42 pm to Pels_Yaz
The difference is more on Zion statistically
The difference is more on BI realistically
The difference is more on BI realistically
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:44 pm to shel311
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The difference is more on BI realistically
Absolutely. If you’re watching pelican games and want us to be peak efficiency- you want Zion to keep attacking the basket and BI to take more 3s. I highly doubt you want the reverse.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:50 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Do you know how difficult it is for the whole team to hit 60% on 2s while taking a substantial more amount?
Do you konw how difficult it is for the whole team to hit 40% from 3 while taking a substantial more amount?
We are one 5th best in the league at 38%. You think that number just gets to magically stay there if we take 8 more 3's a game? League average is 36.6%
36.6 on 3's is equivalent to 54.4% from 2. League average is 54.5%
We shoot 55% from 2.
If you were following what i just said, basically the league average for 2's and 3's is the same when it comes to efficiency, and we are better than league average at both.
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2s producing more kobe assists- now you’re banking on missing a shot, rebounding and making that shot again.
well we are 8th in the league in 2nd chance points......
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The whole NBA depends on 3s.
as i said, you'll live and die by the 3, especially in the playoffs if that's all your offense is.
You're more than likely going to take a few less 3's per game in the playoffs, and you're more than likely going to hit them at lower rate than you did in the regular season.
and last seasons winner took 31 3's a game in the regular season, and 30 in the playoffs. Their % stayed at 38% for both.
The Celtics went from 43 a game at 38% to 38 a game at 36%. They lost to another non 3 point shooting team in Miami who attempted 35 a game at 34% in the regular season then shot 34 a game at 38% in the playoffs.
but sure, the whole nba depends on the 3 despite two teams making the finals last year that dont shoot 3's.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:54 pm to Pels_Yaz
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What are we comparing here really???!! We’re blaming Zion now for not taking 3s??! Like this is his fault not BIs. Jesus tell me you’re a BI fan without literally saying your a BI fan.
so you just want to ignore that Middelton took 1.5 more 3's than BI, and that's what made the Bucks so great that year?
It's not just ZIon. It's Zion coupled with JV/Larry not taking any.
I didn't mean when i said the difference was ZIon. That was just a statisically difference. I do'nt want Zion taking more 3's. Just like how i pointed out defenses love when Giannis jacks up a 3 like dumbass.
Our duo is very much like there's. Middleton lives in the midrange and shoots well from 3, but isn't a guy jacking up a bunch, and Giannis like Zion should just be taking it to the goal.
The difference in our teams is the center position and the 3's from them. Lopez and Portis shoot 3's. JV and Larry do not.
That's the difference.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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but sure, the whole nba depends on the 3 despite two teams making the finals last year that dont shoot 3's.
Sure just ignore Jokic the most efficient big man practically ever in the NBA. The Heat in the playoffs shot the 3 significantly higher than they did in the regular season- it was a huge reason they made it to the finals. I don’t have the strength to argue your nonsense that its not smart basketball to basically take and make more 3s. There is no smart basketball mind including NBA organizations, media, coaches or players that would ever agree with you on this. Yet you still believe this to be true.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:59 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Let me get this straight- this organization, every NBA media guy, the coaches, players, majority of this board wants this team to shoot more 3s and you believe they’re all wrong and we should shoot less 3s???!! Theres no point for me to argue this if you actually think that is smart basketball.
Why do you always put words in my mouth?
When did i say i think we should shoot less 3's?
I simply said shooting less 3's generally leads to less fast break opportunities for the opposing team.
That's not me saying shoot less 3's. it's pointing out a stat.
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So you think being more efficient at shooting 2s somehow makes it a solution to just have BI shoot more 2s? Your answer is BI just forget 3s and make more 2s??!!
absolutely not. Again, just merely pointing out a statistic for your dumb reasoning.
I think BI should take about 5 3's a game.
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Lol hes a huge reason why. Him and Zion take the most shots on the team and he doesn’t take 3s. I mean its simple math.
I showed you the math, and you seemed to ignore it.
Swap JV for Porzingis, Larry for Portis, and all of a sudden we are averaging 37 threes a game.
But you'd rather BI take 8 3's a game. That's stupid.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Everyeone is all over BI to take more than his 4 threes a game. Why? Does he really need to take 8 a game? what's wrong with 5? Does that make any difference if it's simply 5? NO
Can you explain why then that the pelicans coaching staff and front office have been asking BI to shoot more 3s for years now? This has been widely reported so clearly they think it’s a big deal for him to take more 3s
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Sure just ignore Jokic the most efficient big man practically ever in the NBA
that's Giannis
That's who ZIon needs to be. We ain't winning shite unless Zion gets to that level.
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There is no smart basketball mind including NBA organizations, media, coaches or players that would ever agree with you on this. Yet you still believe this to be true.
You don't even know what i'm saying. You've created your own narrative for me that isn't anywhere near what i'm saying.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The difference in our teams is the center position and the 3's from them. Lopez and Portis shoot 3's. JV and Larry do not. That's the difference.
Again now your shifting the blame on role center guys not taking 3s and thats the reason we don’t shoot many 3s. Sure it might increase our attempts a bit but probably be easier if BI the guy who attempts a boatload of shots just take a few more threes. Ive come to the conclusion that wont happen but honestly thats the easiest solution. Look im not anti-BI; I’m more against how we rotate guys or how the roster is constructed. But with the current solution is BI shifting his shot profile with more 3s.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:03 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Can you explain why then that the pelicans coaching staff and front office have been asking BI to shoot more 3s for years now? This has been widely reported so clearly they think it’s a big deal for him to take more 3s
Can you explain why we don't get on JV to take more 3's, and be more like Lopez?
Why do we just look at BI to be more like Tatum, but we don't care to look at anyone else on the team to take more?
AND YES I THINK BI SHOULD TAKE MORE 3'S.
i just don't think it needs to be some absurd number like 8.
5 is just fine for him, and this team. Get a center who can take those extra 3 3's instead of BI taking 3 more to get to that 8.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:04 pm to Pels_Yaz
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gain now your shifting the blame on role center guys not taking 3s and thats the reason we don’t shoot many 3s
Shifting blame?
It was literally the main point of my long arse post.
GOOD LORD MAN.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Swap JV for Porzingis, Larry for Portis, and all of a sudden we are averaging 37 threes a game. But you'd rather BI take 8 3's a game. That's stupid.
Lol hey guys lets trade for two of the better big men in the eastern conference- thats the solution. So easy to do. Listen to yourself here. Lets not make BI make more 3s.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You don't even know what i'm saying. You've created your own narrative for me that isn't anywhere near what i'm saying.
Its complete nonsense. You think BI should stay on this team, take less 3s, somehow get porzingis or bobby portis type players and the team as a whole shoot less 3s and make s substantial more 2s - as an actual solution. NOBODY DOES THIS!!! oh yeah you want Zion to be Jokic.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Can you explain why we don't get on JV to take more 3's, and be more like Lopez? Why do we just look at BI to be more like Tatum, but we don't care to look at anyone else on the team to take more? AND YES I THINK BI SHOULD TAKE MORE 3'S. i just don't think it needs to be some absurd number like 8. 5 is just fine for him, and this team. Get a center who can take those extra 3 3's instead of BI taking 3 more to get to that 8
Because do you know how rare it is for centers to shoot 3s? JV takes 1.6 3PAs per game and is in the top half of the league for centers. Those guys are rare and extremely hard to acquire. The simplest solution is to get on BI to shoot more 3s which he did his first 2 years here. We’ve seen him shoot over 6 3s a game at a high %. The fact that he can do it but chooses not to when it would help the team is infuriating and tells me he’s not committed to winning
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:14 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Jesus tell me you’re a BI fan without literally saying your a BI fan.
I'm a BI fan. I'm a Zion fan. I'm a Pelicans fan. Why is it hard to like one of the 5-6 best players in franchise history, and the first that seems to actually want to be here?
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:14 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Lol hey guys lets trade for two of the better big men in the eastern conference- thats the solution. So easy to do. Listen to yourself here. Lets not make BI make more 3s.
My goodness man.
Do you really think i literally meant trade JV for Porzingis, and Larry for Portis?
Do you think i'm that naive?
The point is go find a fricking center that can shoot.
Listen to yourself. You're wanting a guy to go from 4 to 8 3's a game. That's not who BI is, was or ever will be.
We have this gaping hole at the 5 with two guys who don't shoot 3's, but let's ignore that.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:15 pm to Balsamic_duck
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The simplest solution is to get on BI to shoot more 3s which he did his first 2 years here.
He wont and Ive accepted that. I just don’t understand why posters take that remark so defensively? For this team to realistically make sense he needs to- maybe on another team he doesn’t have to. We can’t just surround the team with role players who fill BIs flaws. Zion is just more efficient as a paint scorer than BI- thats reality too. Like I said this team is built weird.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The point is go find a fricking center that can shoot.
Who??? Ok whats your solution? Its so easy to find that right? Look at the playoff teams and tell me the teams centers shooting at a high rate at an efficient amount??
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:20 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Those guys are rare and extremely hard to acquire.
I would agree, but it's what we need.
Myles Turner has been available forever now.
Didn't seem that hard for the Celtics, the best 3 point shooting team in the league and a tax team to go get Porzingis this offseason. Smart and 2 firsts? we have 1sts comign out our arse.
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