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re: Why does our educational system glorify stem and 4 year degrees?
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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yes, a person who can get a 4-year degree in computer science would have problem with plumbing or being a mechanic
My brother is a chemist. I fix every plumbing issue he has. He's completely lost.
I never went to college.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:19 am to Schleynole
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My brother is a chemist. I fix every plumbing issue he has. He's completely lost.
So you just knew how to plumb and have done it intuitively. That’s pretty cool.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:24 am to the808bass
quote:Not difficult. shite doesn't flow up hill and pay day is Friday.
So you just knew how to plumb and have done it intuitively. That’s pretty cool.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:55 am to Diamondawg
Two kids in college, one graduated from UGA and is in med school to become a doctor. She will benefit greatly from her education. My other, third year at a smaller college. It doesn't break the bank for me, but he will probably not get much out of his degree. He was behind socially a little out of high school, so I guess college has grown him a bit in that aspect. I went to UGA for three years, then had a job opportunity come up that I couldn't refuse, so never finished my degree. In my life, I have only ever been asked once if I had a college degree during a job interview. It was an interview for a position at Duke University as their assistant golf professional. A job that the salary was like $35,000. Needless to say, I didn't get the job, got out of the golf business, and now have my own company making 10 times what I could have possibly made staying in the golf industry.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:57 am to the808bass
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So you just knew how to plumb and have done it intuitively. That’s pretty cool.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:58 am to Diamondawg
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shite doesn't flow up hill
It can.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hell last time I had AC issues the home/garden board told me what I had to do.
Bet the home and garden guy didn't have a degree in physics.
How come all those Home Appliances, designed by Degreed folks don't last as long as those built in the 50s and 60s.
You know the ones designed to be energy efficient.
Wonder if Edison, Fulton, Wright Brothers, or even Tesla had their Masters Degrees.
This post was edited on 2/24/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 2/24/24 at 12:43 pm to RiverCityTider
due to funding and report cards on school. However they’ve moved away from just college now. I live in Texas. The schools report card is based off the normal stuff but also how many kids leave high school and go to college or have some sort of certificate when they leave(like auto mechanic) or military. The push now is college, career, military readiness. So every kid falls into a e of the three categories.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 12:48 pm to RiverCityTider
Cause we are so far behind the smart countries..
Posted on 2/24/24 at 12:57 pm to Warfarer
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And I am actually really good with this idea. Trade schools that teach the trades but also teach day to day living skills too.
I’m all for parents teaching their kids to wipe their own arse. Day to day living skills is why children have parents.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 1:08 pm to lsutiger90
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The issue is when you get degrees that have no use in the job market. Several degrees are great if you continue to law school or phd level but often just a bachelors isn’t going to cut it. Ie psychology, criminal justice, history, etc.
I’m still in the camp that there is no such thing as worthless degrees. Trying to equate degree programs with specific career paths is nearly impossible. If you look at resumes you will see people in all types of careers with undergraduate degrees you might not expect. The pushback on education is a weird part of the culture wars that seems completely misplaced.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 1:16 pm to RiverCityTider
There's nothing to say a plumber or electrician can't have a degree in History or English or something. I know an electrician with a degree in Biology. I also know a rather successful programmer who has degrees in History and Drama. A university degree is about expanding one's mind, not just learning a trade.
But a representative government over an ignorant population is begging for corruption. Just look at Louisiana. If people don't know how to read or do arithmetic, they will be taken advantage of.
But a representative government over an ignorant population is begging for corruption. Just look at Louisiana. If people don't know how to read or do arithmetic, they will be taken advantage of.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 6:59 pm to roadGator
quote:Depends on head pressure or a pump.
It can.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 8:42 am to RiverCityTider
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Well I have to say that anyone who reads the original post and interprets it as an attack on stem or advocacy for neglecting stem is a bit off on their interpretation.
Your main premise is just wrong. The bottom line is the emphasis n STEM is not a bad thing. Anyone capable of getting a STEM degree should do so. The issue you should have focused on those getting a non-stem degree just to get a degree. Those are the ones that can’t get work that justifies the money spent. There are plenty of jobs available for STEM grads and typically most will make more than a plumber.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 8:43 am to Motownsix
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I’m still in the camp that there is no such thing as worthless degrees. Trying to equate degree programs with specific career paths is nearly impossible. If you look at resumes you will see people in all types of careers with undergraduate degrees you might not expect. The pushback on education is a weird part of the culture wars that seems completely misplaced.
You are correct.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:11 am to Motownsix
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I’m still in the camp that there is no such thing as worthless degrees.
Hell, I've run across people with worthless engineering degrees. I get the point that learning is learning, but the value must be taken into consideration (for most people) and there are actual harmful courses of study out there.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:19 am to RiverCityTider
Because they make cash. My brother has a master's degree in chemical engineering and then aced the LSAT and went to UVA and is a patent attorney in NOVA.
I was too stubborn and outside oriented to sit in a college lecture. So I "studied" how to Shoot, Move and Communicate on an Abrams tank.
We're both very successful now. More than one way to skin a cat.
I was too stubborn and outside oriented to sit in a college lecture. So I "studied" how to Shoot, Move and Communicate on an Abrams tank.
We're both very successful now. More than one way to skin a cat.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sounds like I'm right.
Well, you think you're right about everything and would never admit if you weren't because you're one of the most arrogant, egotistical people to ever walk on this earth and you think only worthless ambulance chasers can think logically.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:33 am to RiverCityTider
It’s simple. They have the narrative that poor kids couldn’t go to college and they couldn’t work themselves out of poverty. That’s the reason why they harp on it.
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