re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist

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This is a gross oversimplification

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Fair enough....

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Everybody (sans anarchists) wants SOME of their morality enforced via a central governing body. Atheists, theists, Jainists, Hindus; everybody.

Almost nobody wants ALL of their morality enforced via a central governing authority. Outside of a few Jim Jones types that's a fictional boogyman

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Some want more than others. When I look at publications like Project 2025 and see stuff like arguments to ban all pornography and House speaker Johnson noting that “I try to do every day what my constituents want. But sometimes what your constituents want does not line up with the principles God gave us for government. And you have to have conviction enough to stand up to your own people”
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lets just say it gives me pause. And he certainly is not alone in his pov. I fear a right wing backlash to all the wokeism from the left that is just as shitty and authoritarian in nature. We dont have to freak out about it..but be aware of it.

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The reasonably intelligent atheists would say to take logic out an argument for moral relativism?

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No, they would say that you can't use logic to determine morality. This was the claim you disagreed with:

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I would agree. Morals are not based on logic.

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Morals aren't based on logic. That's 100% accurate.

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Morals aren't based on logic. That's 100% accurate.

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Well I think logic is used in some capacity to judge morality. The reasoning for some moral decisons .. For example one may use logic to determine a moral question such as whether it is appropriate to drop a bomb on civilians in order to end a war. That kind of stuff but there is still a subjective value system at play.

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Morals aren't based on logic.

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Then how do you claim that the naturalist world view is based on logic? For that to be true, you can never actually know anything. Everything is just based on your perceptions and feelings.

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Then how do you claim that the naturalist world view is based on logic?

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I don't. Never have.

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some people may value comfort, others freedom, others may believe ends do not justify means. All people determining the morality of a choice should theoretically agree on the logic, however their individual prioritization of principles may lead them to different moral conclusions. Thats where the subjective part comes in that I cant get around.

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I think I understand what you're driving at. I'm not disagreeing in that people's perception of morality varies. Of course that's true. If you want to call that subjectivity, that's cool. But if 2 people are on opposite sides of a moral argument, and you say the other person is acting immorally, morality must be objective. One of you has to be correct. If it's truly subjective, you would both be correct morally in taking opposite positions. Therefore, if morality is subjective, you can never say someone else acting immorally, because morality is based on each individual.

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Put another way, is a law telling you that you cannot consider race or sex when hiring for your private business (or renting the room above grandma's garage) any better than one that tells you that you can't open a strip club on your property because it's 500 feet from an elementary school? We're just used to many of them so they never get considered when we're talking about "enforcing morality."

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You give good food for thought without being a dick. Wish this board had more posters like you

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So, you need an explanation as to why or from whom you need to protect the things you hold dear?

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It's helpful to have a rational defense of that, otherwise it's merely opinion.

Within a Christian worldview, rights are based on God's decree. Humans have rights because God says we do, since we are made in His image and have inherent value and worth with rights that should be respected and upheld or else judgement will fall on those who abuse other image-bearers by God, Himself.

If God is not the basis of human rights, then what is? Without an objective standard to appeal to, all you're left with is subjective standards that can vary from individual to individual, or from society to society, or from generation to generation. The right to life exists only if a particular society at a particular time says it does, in this scenario.

So if you reject God, you reject the foundation for inherent, unchangeable, and inalienable rights. If rights come from the minds of men, then the minds of men can take them away. The minds of men can also create any sort of "right" they desire.

So while you don't need God to have rights, you need God to make rights meaningful in a real sense.