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Old TV Shows Are Beating Hollywood’s Billion Dollar DEI Machine
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:11 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:11 am
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Even as streamers like Netflix, Amazon and Disney+ are spending almost incomprehensible amounts of money creating the movies and shows fueling the Peak TV wars, the numbers show that audiences are turning down much of that content to watch old television shows instead.
A recent article noted that according to Nielsen, which tracks viewership numbers, “the most minutes last year – more than 57 billion – were spent watching ‘Suits,’ a legal drama that premiered 12 years prior.” The show had more than double the number of viewing minutes than Netflix’s race-swapping woke usurpation fantasy, “Queen Charlotte: A Bridgerton Story.”
The Hollywood Reporter noted that the “top 10 overall titles in Nielsen’s year-end rankings are all acquired shows, the first time that’s happened in the four years streaming rankings have been publicly available.” Acquired means the library of older shows that Netflix bought after spending $17 billion on content, much of it on new shows like “Bridgerton” whose three seasons cost $168 million, only to lose to the estimated $200,000 per episode that it paid for “Suits”.
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But another issue is a radical demographic transformation in the industry that began with #MeToo and the BLM hate movement. Hollywood made DEI commitments and carried them out, whether it was locking the Oscars behind racial quotas for participating films or dumping white male talent in favor of affirmative action quotas.
Writers Guild of America numbers show that 64% staff writers had been men in 2011, but by 2020, only a third were men. 71% of staff writers had been white in 2011, but less than half were by 2020. Male story editors declined from 61% to 39% while white story editors fell from 79% to 39%. Professional talent at key points in the production chain likewise declined sharply.
By 2020, the number of white producers fell by 24%, the number of male producers by 25%, white co-producers fell by 30%, white supervising producers by 23%, white executive story editors fell by 26% and male executive editors by 27%. The numbers are likely worse now.
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Disney has lost a fortune on movies staffed by inexperienced DEI hires. “The Marvels”, its first comic book universe movie that didn’t even hit $100 million (amounting to likely losses in the hundreds of millions of dollars) was written and directed by Nia DaCosta, hailed as the first black woman to direct a superhero film, with one previous low budget horror film to her name. Her fellow writers had little more than a few episodes of Disney+ Marvel shows under their belts.
“Madame Web”, a recent effort to launch a Spider Man movie franchise without Spider Man, performed even worse for Sony. The movie was helmed by a TV director based on a screenplay originally written by an otherwise mostly unknown minority writer/director, and crashed badly.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:14 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Pluto TV has figured it out.
There are Gunsmoke, Andy Griffith, Sanford and Son, Rifleman channels, etc. that show non-stop blocks of those shows.
Many Classic Movie Channels to boot.
Also, it's free.
There are Gunsmoke, Andy Griffith, Sanford and Son, Rifleman channels, etc. that show non-stop blocks of those shows.
Many Classic Movie Channels to boot.
Also, it's free.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:17 am to Major Dutch Schaefer

This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 8:19 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:18 am to oogabooga68
Kojak, Barnaby Jones, Streets of SF. Kill today's tv.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:20 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Male story editors declined from 61% to 39% while white story editors fell from 79% to 39%.
Completely organic.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:21 am to oogabooga68
Yep. Steady diet of Cheers, Andy Griffith, Home Improvement, ALF, Addams Family, Star Trek Next Generation, etc... here.
Funny thing is, the kids love Barney Fife and ALF. They don't need deep social shite shoved down their throats. Subtlety worked ok.
Funny thing is, the kids love Barney Fife and ALF. They don't need deep social shite shoved down their throats. Subtlety worked ok.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:22 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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” The show had more than double the number of viewing minutes than Netflix’s race-swapping woke usurpation fantasy, “Queen Charlotte: A Bridgerton Story.”
as somebody forced to watch Bridgerton, it's actually not woke at all. it's just historical fiction with absolutely no regard to race on the castings.
but to the point of the OP, i'm more likely to watch office, MTM, parks and rec, andy griffith, dick van dyke, etc. than i am any new show.
i'll see myself to the soccer board for now.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 8:23 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:23 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
The argument is going to come out as “Audiences are lazy and don’t like new stuff.”
The big problems are that “old white man” stuff like writing techniques are used for a reason, mainly because they work, and that using ideas that work tends to be a lot safer bet than throwing shite at a wall. Especially if the film in question is supposed to be a tent pole picture that will cost $200m+ and needs to pull in $400m+ to be profitable.
Like him or hate him, Dan Harmon of Community and Rick And Morty openly espouses the “story wheel”, which is based on the Joseph Campbell “epic hero” story arc. He has even done a very meta episode of Rick And Morty in which he espoused this while also taking some shots at fan fiction and someone else coming in to derail the original writer’s vision.
Some people would ignore the Campbell idea because it is a “dead white man” idea, but it also fricking works. The Star Wars series, especially A New Hope, are heavily influenced by it.
Taking interesting new material and adapting old storytelling techniques to it can work.
Taking shitty new material and laying it on top of old material doesn’t work as well.
Deconstructing the old material entirely has its own problems, which is why The Last Jedi is divisive as hell since it not only did this but did it in the middle of a trilogy and derailed all plans for it.
The big problems are that “old white man” stuff like writing techniques are used for a reason, mainly because they work, and that using ideas that work tends to be a lot safer bet than throwing shite at a wall. Especially if the film in question is supposed to be a tent pole picture that will cost $200m+ and needs to pull in $400m+ to be profitable.
Like him or hate him, Dan Harmon of Community and Rick And Morty openly espouses the “story wheel”, which is based on the Joseph Campbell “epic hero” story arc. He has even done a very meta episode of Rick And Morty in which he espoused this while also taking some shots at fan fiction and someone else coming in to derail the original writer’s vision.
Some people would ignore the Campbell idea because it is a “dead white man” idea, but it also fricking works. The Star Wars series, especially A New Hope, are heavily influenced by it.
Taking interesting new material and adapting old storytelling techniques to it can work.
Taking shitty new material and laying it on top of old material doesn’t work as well.
Deconstructing the old material entirely has its own problems, which is why The Last Jedi is divisive as hell since it not only did this but did it in the middle of a trilogy and derailed all plans for it.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:24 am to 3nOut
i like that you posted this on two different board and the mods moved it over here not realizing you started the same thread.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:30 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Funny they use Suits as an old show when it is a classic DEI checklist
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:31 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Really old (back to the late 50’s) tv was quality programming. Before cable the 3 big networks entire budget went towards about 20 tv shows/week (prime time 3hours/night, 6 nights/week with a movie on Sunday nights).
All the talent was competing for very limited slots and every script idea had to compete for the very limited time frames too. Now the network executives are trying to find fillers just to keep broadcasting 24/7 without dead air. Just about any breathing body (non white) can be the star of a program nowadays, talent and visual appeal not required.
All the talent was competing for very limited slots and every script idea had to compete for the very limited time frames too. Now the network executives are trying to find fillers just to keep broadcasting 24/7 without dead air. Just about any breathing body (non white) can be the star of a program nowadays, talent and visual appeal not required.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:31 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
These shows have better story writing than the crap on evening TV today.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:46 am to concrete_tiger
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Funny thing is, the kids love Barney Fife and ALF. They don't need deep social shite shoved down their throats. Subtlety worked ok.
This is the difference between the old days and now…
A 50s-60s show like Twilight Zone could get away with what would be considered subversive story ideas simply because it was crouched in sci-fi rather than reality and didn’t beat you over the head with it when possible.
Granted, those same shows would occasionally beat you over the head with a topic on A Very Special Episode.
Or just do it constantly on shite like Full House.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:47 am to SantaFe
I've been watching Tales of Wells Fargo every night followed by Gunsmoke!


Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:05 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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was written and directed by Nia DaCosta, hailed as the first black woman to direct a superhero film
Any movie hailed has having the first [insert race], [insert gender], [insert sexual orientation], and you know its going to suck.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:09 am to 3nOut
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it's actually not woke at all. it's just historical fiction with absolutely no regard to race on the castings.
Isn't that like, um, woke?
Disregard to period accuracy to make some people get the feelies...
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:24 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
IMO it has less to do with “wokeism” and more to do with new shows having long periods between seasons (most people will fill that with older shows) and an oversaturation of shows that just aren’t very good or they’re good but often not allowed to fully develop/cancelled early.
There’s also some psychology behind people watching old shows that their brain is familiar with instead of consuming new content that they have to give more of their attention to.
There’s also some psychology behind people watching old shows that their brain is familiar with instead of consuming new content that they have to give more of their attention to.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:28 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Next phase: lock up all old stuff.
YOU MUST CONSUME NEW PRODUCTS
YOU MUST CONSUME NEW PRODUCTS
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:31 am to Volvagia
The problem is Hollywood churning out stupid bullshite that only caters to an exceptionally small portion of the country, all while pretending that the masses are clamoring for it. They pretend that a-hole women playing superheroes or DEI/LGBT characters pretending to be normal and cool is what normal people want to watch and consume across platforms.
The weirdest part though is that they know they are wrong, they just keep up the charade in some sideways bullshite way of doing "the right thing" or whatever. They can't take a step back and be honest about any of it. All they do is sit back and scream at normal people for being "___phobic" all while ignoring their true intentions for making shite like this in the first place.
It's weird, and makes no sense. But hey, if Hollywood wants to light billions of dollars on fire for being stupid, I certainly won't stand in their way. Have at it. I'll just throw on reruns of The Office instead of the new "stupid Marvel or Star Wars bullshite show" 10 times out of 10.
Also, this cracked me up big time:

The weirdest part though is that they know they are wrong, they just keep up the charade in some sideways bullshite way of doing "the right thing" or whatever. They can't take a step back and be honest about any of it. All they do is sit back and scream at normal people for being "___phobic" all while ignoring their true intentions for making shite like this in the first place.
It's weird, and makes no sense. But hey, if Hollywood wants to light billions of dollars on fire for being stupid, I certainly won't stand in their way. Have at it. I'll just throw on reruns of The Office instead of the new "stupid Marvel or Star Wars bullshite show" 10 times out of 10.
Also, this cracked me up big time:
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“Madame Web”, a recent effort to launch a Spider Man movie franchise without Spider Man, performed even worse for Sony.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:36 am to Volvagia
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Next phase: lock up all old stuff.
You aren't wrong.
Step 1: put it behind a paywall. Wanna watch Andy & Opie? Well, your $10/mo will fund the new GAYberry series that we greenlit
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