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re: Alabama IVF ruling
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:34 pm to billjamin
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:34 pm to billjamin
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Not me. I’m going there, putting a bunch of tubes of jizz in a freezer and then claiming them all as dependents on my taxes.
Jizz alone won’t get you there friend, you’ll only have half of what you need.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 8:35 pm
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Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:36 pm to Evolved Simian
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UAB stopped offering IVF today to avoid the likelihood of it's doctors being prosecuted.
Lol. Pussies.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:38 pm to AndyCBR
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Maybe the board at UAB is as misinformed as most of the people in this thread.
It’s for show. They’re virtue signaling. They’ll come out in a couple of months saying something along the lines of “We were very concerned about the ramifications of the state interfering in the doctor/patient relationship but after careful consideration with our legal team (and noting how much money we will leave on the table), we have decided to begin offering IVF services again.”
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:39 pm to AndyCBR
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Maybe the board at UAB is as misinformed as most of the people in this thread.
Yeah well I am certain they are being told to follow a narrative to further an agenda...ya know like safe and effective
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:45 pm to hawkeye007
It’s an interesting ruling. Now if you are in a car accident or bump a pregnant lady that has a miscarriage you can be tried for manslaughter. If you can show product causes damage to fetus it’s a criminal and punitive damage case.
They looked at doing this in Mississippi but the chamber killed it because it scared them too much as it opens a whole can of worms.
They looked at doing this in Mississippi but the chamber killed it because it scared them too much as it opens a whole can of worms.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:45 pm to AndyCBR
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None of this is true.
You can send your embryos to another state to be destroyed.
This doesn’t limit anybody’s ability to offer or use IVF.
All it does is give human rights to the embryo, it’s actually been that way in Louisiana for over a decade, and last I heard you can still offer and use IVF here.
The problem with this line of thinking is that it greatly enhances the cost and liability on the ivf facility, and that's assuming the facility wants that risk.
Who would want to operate a facility that is one bad storm or power outage from severe financial and legal trauma?
This mentality is the polar opposite of the nonsense going on in NY right now. Both are dumb, and both states think they are doing things right by the extremists in their constituency.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:23 pm to Evolved Simian
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UAB stopped offering IVF today to avoid the likelihood of it's doctors being prosecuted.
UAB also pushed masks and school closures. The medical side is a political hack institution.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:27 pm to Sput
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rulingby SputAll comes down to if you believe life begins at conception. Can’t say it does in a “natural ” situation but doesn’t here
I do believe that life begins at conception but it’s only murder when it’s viable.
Such as ectopic pregnancy. The baby is not viable so I do not consider it to be abortion.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Who would want to operate a facility that is one bad storm or power outage from severe financial and legal trauma?
Good point. Hospitals have never had to worry about backup power before.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
It's amazing this case out of San Francisco hasn't ended all IVF in California. It's almost like anyone saying such a thing about Alabama is just a complete moron who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:41 pm to the808bass
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Good point. Hospitals have never had to worry about backup power before.
I am sure the patients will be thrilled with being passed on the additional overhead cost to fortify the facility, courtesy of the Alabama legislature, as if IVF wasn't expensive enough already.
I am sure the insurance companies are also going to be thrilled with the new rates to insure places like this.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:53 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I am sure the patients will be thrilled with being passed on the additional overhead cost to fortify the facility, courtesy of the Alabama legislature, as if IVF wasn't expensive enough already.
Yeah. No one was worried about vents being shut off in a power outage. Now we have to worry about IVF.
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I am sure the insurance companies are also going to be thrilled with the new rates to insure places like this.
I’m confused. Do you think IVF is a commonly covered procedure?
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:54 pm to imjustafatkid
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is just a complete moron who doesn't know what he's talking about.
You are over the target.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
What part of Alabama are you in?
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:07 pm to the808bass
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Yeah. No one was worried about vents being shut off in a power outage. Now we have to worry about IVF.
Sigh. You're really going to refuse to acknowledge this makes things much more expensive... Why?
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I'm confused
I can see that, though I am not sure if this is by design or just your basic understanding.
Every business in the US is insured against a whole host of things, ranging from natural to disasters to more human ones. These policies covers the insured in the event a loss happens due to aforementioned hazards. Any time the legal hurdles for legal action against the insured go down (like a legal ruling embryos are now legal people) it becomes more expensive to keep that same level of insurance for the business. This in turn means higher prices for the business which are almost always passed on to the consumer, or in this case, the patient.
Hopefully that helps.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:19 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Sigh. You're really going to refuse to acknowledge this makes things much more expensive... Why?
Because it doesn't. All this facility had to do was literally lock the door to the room where the embryos were kept. That's it. They were negligent.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 11:34 pm to imjustafatkid
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UAB also pushed masks and school closures. The medical side is a political hack institution.
Does good medical work but during COVID they got politically stupid
Posted on 2/22/24 at 4:07 am to HailToTheChiz
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Does good medical work but during COVID they got politically stupid
Yep, and this has clearly not been corrected.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 6:40 am to imjustafatkid
Theoretical question: what would happen if Modern Medicine discovered a way to keep everyone alive until the age of 200? Would that be good or bad for mankind?
Another question: are famines and natural disasters somehow useful?
Another question: are famines and natural disasters somehow useful?
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:14 am to LSUAngelHere1
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Such as ectopic pregnancy. The baby is not viable so I do not consider it to be abortion.
The theocrats disagree with you.
Ending an ectopic pregnancy is now murder of a minor in Alabama.
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