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re: Medieval farmers ate 7000-9000 calories a dsy
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:25 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:25 pm to athenslife101
Georgia education at work.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:25 pm to Demonbengal
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Wasn’t the average man only 5’3 or so back then?
The average man was indeed smaller than modern men…bc of poorer nutrition.
This number seems impossible. I don’t think a modern power lifter eats that many calories per day.
Also, the Middle Ages spans 1,000 years and a lot of different countries. Food output varied greatly by geography.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:33 pm to athenslife101
That's child's play. I eat 7000 calories every time I go to McDonalds.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:34 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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These guys also ate very differently than we do now. Hell, bone marrow was a staple for them. good size chunk of that from a sow is good for 2k calories by itself. Throw some offal with marrow and some veggies in a stew and you probably get to 5k without breaking a sweat.
Plus the whole dying at the ripe old age of 40 made them less worried about abs and more worried about feeding the machine.
OK. Let's talk about this. Between your post and the OP, just how many acres, men and livestock head are we talking about? In Europe, in the MAs?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:37 pm to athenslife101
Michael Phelps was eating 10000 cal per day while training for Olympics so I’d imagine that 7-9k figure is pretty accurate.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:49 pm to Sao
English Farming Requirements in the MA
This guy doesnt talk calories. He just tries to get to GAAP type numbers for supporting a person throughout the year.
He cant seem to get there based on more or less accepted population numbers. So are the numbers of people alive wrong or are the harvest numbers wrong?
Stuff like this fascinates me because human powered work has a limit. What it cost to split wood 1000 years ago is the same as today using the same tools.
Philbrick actually covers this in Bunker Hill. The bostonians from the country were well fed and big and burly and quite frankly assholes because they grew up working the land. They tied up with the rich soldiers from VA during the Revolution because they were better dressed and had more money even though the poorly dressed massholes were bigger physically.
This guy doesnt talk calories. He just tries to get to GAAP type numbers for supporting a person throughout the year.
He cant seem to get there based on more or less accepted population numbers. So are the numbers of people alive wrong or are the harvest numbers wrong?
Stuff like this fascinates me because human powered work has a limit. What it cost to split wood 1000 years ago is the same as today using the same tools.
Philbrick actually covers this in Bunker Hill. The bostonians from the country were well fed and big and burly and quite frankly assholes because they grew up working the land. They tied up with the rich soldiers from VA during the Revolution because they were better dressed and had more money even though the poorly dressed massholes were bigger physically.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:50 pm to athenslife101
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We have athletes today who easily match or exceed that
And those athletes have to basically eat all day to get to those numbers. Like eat whole boxes of cereal, whole cartons of yogurt, dozen eggs, etc. to get to like 6-7K calories. They spend so much of their time just preparing food and eating it.
So I’m doubtful of the 7-9K calorie claim even if they’re drinking beer and eating spoonfuls of lard multiple times a day. It would literally take too much time to consume that much food and it’s not like they’re bums sitting around with nothing to do but eat. But I can see something half of that like 4-5K
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:53 pm to Robin Masters
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Michael Phelps was eating 10000 cal per day while training for Olympics so I’d imagine that 7-9k figure is pretty accurate.
He's 6'4" and training for the olympics
That's a lot different than an average dude doing farm work all day
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:55 pm to athenslife101
They drank pints of beer all through the day too.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:01 pm to athenslife101
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Medieval farmers ate 7000-9000 calories a dsy
Yeah, thats a made up statistic
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:03 pm to fr33manator
And again, we are talking about mini ice age Europe. It was very cold. Cold people eat a lot more than warm people. It’s a body heating attribute. And they had no indoor heating.
I don’t know if the 7000 calorie diet is true or not. The person who said it is a published historian but they were being conversational so they could have meant very specific criteria. I don’t know. But I do think it’s very likely they did eat at least twice as much food S people today
I don’t know if the 7000 calorie diet is true or not. The person who said it is a published historian but they were being conversational so they could have meant very specific criteria. I don’t know. But I do think it’s very likely they did eat at least twice as much food S people today
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:08 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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This guy doesnt talk calories. He just tries to get to GAAP type numbers for supporting a person throughout the year.
Right. So you mention marrow and pork. OP, bread and 7-9K calories per basic medieval farmer. 1 guy. Per man, given simple acreage yield, growth/harvest and livestock need plus their acreage and feed/water needs per animal, what would you expect a man to own/work to believe the OP premise? Not even taking in consideration for storage considerations.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:09 pm to athenslife101
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And again, we are talking about mini ice age Europe. It was very cold
Soooo, what was the growing season lenght?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:11 pm to athenslife101
I worked on a farm as a kid and did sports, that was close to my calorie intake back then.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:15 pm to TheGasMan
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Does it account for the sheer amount of children they had back then that would die before they turned 14? That would offset a lot of that caloric budget
Are you suggesting they Ate the children?
Although...it is a modest proposal...
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:15 pm to TheGasMan
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No they didn’t
Watch Tudor Farm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:16 pm to fr33manator
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Are you suggesting they Ate the children
I am not, but you do you. Write a poem about their plight!
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:17 pm to Sao
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what would you expect a man to own/work to believe the OP premise?
I have no idea. I just know that shite wasn't easy and you aren't working the land on an empty stomach so much so that people that werent working more than likely went without to make sure the ones doing the working could eat.
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