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re: One thing that the McMen cannot deny is that excitement around the program is non existent
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:01 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:01 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Speak for yourself. I’m a die hard LSU hoops fan and I’m very encouraged with the way we’re headed. McMahon was put in an almost impossible situation. He wasn’t hired until late March and was forced to completely gut the roster due to Wade’s refusal to let LSU know who he did or didn’t pay. Guilty or not Wade’s transgressions set the LSU basketball program back at least 4 years.
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:02 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I want a good basketball program and thus far, McMahon has not provided that.
You lost me here. You gotta be more patient.
What coach out there could provide that in year two? & on top of that, which of those coaches would have actually accepted a job to fix the dumpster fire?
Everyone underestimates the damage that was done
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:04 pm to rds dc
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McMahon and the program are in a precarious spot. If they don't pull an upset or two over these next 5 games, then they will be going into the final stretch coming off a 1 and 9 skid. At that point, the season is over, and no one cares if they go 4-0, 3-1, or 0-4 in that last stretch of very winnable games.
Yeah I said the first part earlier. LSU has lost 4 of the last 5. I said LSU will most likely lose 4 of the next 5. 2-8 is lousy by any measurement for a stretch of the season. I responded to a post where the poster said LSU was trending up. That kind of record sort of kicks that statement in the arse, huh? Using my 2-8 prediction, that means in a couple of weeks, LSU's SEC record will be 5-9 and probably in 10th or 11th place at that juncture.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:06 pm to GeauxTime9
With 1 major exception. Our program is on probation. And for McMahon’s 1st 2 years the impending sanctions loomed large. Ain’t no way elite players were even considering coming to LSU.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:07 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
The average attendance throughout Wade’s tenure and McMahon’s 1st 2 years are almost identical.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:34 pm to cmacatl13
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With 1 major exception. Our program is on probation.
I don't know what exception you are referring to, but you are correct, the program is on probation. However, the sanctions are minor.
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And for McMahon’s 1st 2 years the impending sanctions loomed large.
Did they?
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Ain’t no way elite players were even considering coming to LSU.
Can I interest you in some facts?
His first class he signed two top 100 prospects (Reed and Ward). To put that into context, that was AS MANY top 100 prospects as the following programs signed: Texas, Auburn, Villanova, Baylor, Houston, Michigan St. It was MORE than the following programs: UConn, Creighton, Purdue, Gonzaga,
His 2023 (HS) signing class was ranked 50th in the country. Awful, right? Must be the probation...until you look at that number in context. Auburn had the 67th best class in 2023. Gonzaga the 70th. Purdue 73rd. Arizona 74th!!! I'd say those programs are pretty good. Maybe probation kept great players from going there too
As far as enthusiasm goes, reported attendance is often a misleading stat. That's because the reports are almost always PAID attendance vs. actual attendance. As someone who has been a season ticket holder through the Jones, Wade, and McMahon eras, I can tell you the lack of enthusiasm and actual attendance now compared to a few years ago is easily noticeable. That's not surprising because the team has (to date) a losing record since McMahon became HC. But to deny the current state of apathy is at best, disingenuous. At worst, just ridiculous.
I don't want McMahon to fail. I really don't. Not because we are bestest friends (I don't know the guy). But because a winning LSU basketball team brings me entertainment and enjoyment. Unfortunately, they just aren't winning. So I can't bemoan those who simply don't care.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:37 pm to NotaStarGazer
And for the 1st time in the sec’s basketball history 9 teams will make the big dance. Wade setting back our program for half a decade couldn’t have come at a more inopportune time.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:44 pm to NotaStarGazer
You forgot McNeese
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:47 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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told that losing close games is incredible.
Literally no one says this
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:51 pm to Jack Daniel
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You frgot McNeese
I did not forget McNeese. I was referring to major college programs playing a decent schedule. McNeese has beaten no one of note this season...no one! Normally, Michigan would be a good win but they were 7-15 the last I checked. The best team McNeese played was La Tech and the Bulldogs won that game. I also believe recently they played SELA and lost that game. Nope, I definitely would not include McNeese in teams that turned it around on a dime...you have to play more than cupcakes to qualify for that credit.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:53 pm to Alt26
So we had 2 players ranked in the top 100. But when you surround them with players like Adam miller and Parker Edwards that’s not a winning recipe. And yes the sanctions loomed large. The possibility of postseason bans being one of the biggest. We had absolutely no shot of bringing in elite players. That’s a fact. We still have subpar talent. Let’s see what we can do over the course of the next year. The hole that the previous regime dug ain’t gonna be fixed unless CJ or Shaq walks through the door
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:01 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I did not forget McNeese. I was referring to major college programs playing a decent schedule. McNeese has beaten no one of note this season...no one! Normally, Michigan would be a good win but they were 7-15 the last I checked. The best team McNeese played was La Tech and the Bulldogs won that game. I also believe recently they played SELA and lost that game. Nope, I definitely would not include McNeese in teams that turned it around on a dime...you have to play more than cupcakes to qualify for that credit.
McNeese State has always been the cupcake…until this year. The turnaround that McNeese has made is the biggest in the nation. You can’t hide behind “they aren’t playing anybody”. They are 9-1 in the same conference where they went a combined 14-32 in the previous 3 seasons.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:05 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:Texas Tech and Auburn came out of nowhere??? What are you smoking???
There are dozens and dozens of examples of teams coming out of nowhere to do fantastic things in a very short amount of time. Texas Tech, Auburn, Florida Atlantic, San Diego St, St Peters, etc, etc, etc
And naming 3 mid majors that went on a Cinderella run is just silly and nowhere close to building a team in a top conference.
Where are these "dozens and dozens" of teams that came out of nowhere?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:27 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
The men’s basketball culture war is palpable. Full of straw men and hyperbole.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:05 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Put
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:22 pm to Choupique19
They play in one of the easiest conferences in the nation to get better in...the Southland Conference. Strength of schedule has to be considered. This year the strength of strength is horrible. 226th to be exact!
Additional info: Warren Nolan has their SOS in 2023 289th and in 2024 296th...not a lot of difference but even worse for 2024 than the NCAA site had listed.
Additional info: Warren Nolan has their SOS in 2023 289th and in 2024 296th...not a lot of difference but even worse for 2024 than the NCAA site had listed.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:28 pm to mmcgrath
I gave you some. And yes Texas Tech under Beard came out of nowhere. So did Auburn under Bruce Pearl. Do you even follow college basketball. And sure I mentioned Cinderella teams that is pretty much the basic point. Those were just the ones I remembered easily. Once again, I repeat it is not at all unheard of to turn around programs in a year or two. Let's see if McMahon can do that. I say no because he is nothing more than a mediocre coach and recruiter.
Here's a couple of LSU ones BTW. Brady 2008 13-18...Johnson 2009 27-8. Jones 2017 10-21... Wade 2018 18-15 2018. Those are big turnarounds just like I said. There are dozens and dozens across the nation over the years.
Here's a couple of LSU ones BTW. Brady 2008 13-18...Johnson 2009 27-8. Jones 2017 10-21... Wade 2018 18-15 2018. Those are big turnarounds just like I said. There are dozens and dozens across the nation over the years.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:42 pm to NotaStarGazer
Your purple and gold glasses are so strong they’re giving you brain cancer
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:45 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
This! I want a damn badass coach
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:48 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:Not from where LSU was. Not at all close.
Once again, I repeat it is not at all unheard of to turn around programs in a year or two.
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