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re: If you have kids starting to search for college/career... what is left worth pursuing?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:21 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:21 pm to Mo Jeaux
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seems like some sort of psyop to be honest).
I actually have wondered this myself. Social media is ate up with how awesome the trades are for some reason. Mike Rowe is a pimp for the trades and I'm not sure why unless he's getting paid from some entity. Its all puzzling.
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:21 pm to lsu777
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yep....lets work 12-16 hours day making 25 a year....great opportunity especially when you are 50.
the fricking idiots on this board
for all yall running your mouth about the trades are so great...spring is coming up and so are all the Turnarounds...go work just 2 and let me know how you like it and if you still think thats a path you would like your kids to go down.
I'm talking about hiring people to do the work for you. Hence the word scalable -- might be hard for you to understand, try and follow along now.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:23 pm to Old Money
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Basically anything scalable where your only limitation is the hours in the day.
That is a HUGE limit
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:25 pm to Tantal
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Dude's a straight hustler.
99%+ of people in trades are not, nor do they have the intelligence to run a business of any scale efficiently.
Your friend could have been successful in a number of white collar fields, too.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:27 pm to sidewalkside
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Anyone with a trade these days has a blank check
This is the fricking truth right here. You want to name your price? Learn a skilled trade. Our master plumber on my project makes $350k.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
The 2016 election changed the demographics to more of a 45-60 year old Central/Denham crowd
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:27 pm to Turnblad85
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Social media is ate up with how awesome the trades are for some reason
2 things
1. The huge inflation in college tuition, which has created a -EV economic proposition for many (who still make the bad decision and end u way underwater)
2. The anti-intellectual/education culture of a certain population who found the internet around 2016
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:28 pm to NIH
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The 2016 election changed the demographics to more of a 45-60 year old Central/Denham crowd
Perfect timing
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:28 pm to Deactived
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If you tell me a job pays 100k, that doesnt mean its actually 75k and 25k of benefits. Its 100k and if you have benefits, theyre not just randomly added to that number
I wish people would start talking about pay with the value of benefits. Its useless to throw out a salary and not say if benefits (~40% in many cases) are included. As if PTO, healthcare/dental,401k and bonuses are not a huge fricking factor.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your friend could have been successful in a number of white collar fields, too.
And what they won’t tell you is the hustlers in white collar fields run laps upon laps on the blue collar counterparts.
Gordon could probably run a crazy successful trades business. He’d also probably be worth a tiny fraction of what he currently is.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:30 pm to Gaston
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want my son to go into turf management…or at least that concentration of agronomy. The only artificial turfs should be HS football, and thats only a cost/benefit. All pro teams should play on grass and we can grow pretty much anything indoors.
Not sure thats a major at most schools. Cant hurt to be able to grow food in the future…or drugs…
My cousin got his degree in Turf and Land Management at LSU in 1995. He was superintendent of a couple of golf courses before string his own landscaping business. He does fairly well. They say that Mississippi State is the place to go for this degree.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:31 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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And what they won’t tell you is the hustlers in white collar fields run laps upon laps on the blue collar counterparts.
Yes.
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Gordon could probably run a crazy successful trades business. He’d also probably be worth a tiny fraction of what he currently is.
I mean look no further than Silicon Valley.
Mark Z and Elon could run a major plumbing company and they could be worth $10M. Hell, let's be nice and say generational wealth of $25M
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:37 pm to jcaz
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STEM
Need to narrow this down to medicine and some very limited aspects of tech. Nurses and physicians still have their pick of jobs and have avenues to earn serious cash. But their work/life balance may also be shaky.
By contrast, tech is more shaky than ever before in the last decade. Developers/coders are being offshored and "H1B'd" to the point where wages are collapsing unless you know the latest and greatest language. Like right now a decent RUST developer is going to coast into whatever job they want. But that's not the same for every type of developer.
It's a damn strong move right now to go into information systems and try to get into major ERP consulting or implementation practices. SAP has been hot for a decade and seems to just be getting bigger. Oracle too (but a lesser extent). But know that the major implementation partners are also offshoring a lot of entry level jobs, so paths into that career is getting harder.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:40 pm to concrete_tiger
For white collar - Auditing, accounting, some elements of tech, major implementation/back end systems designs, and medical fields are hot and will probably stay that way for at least the next decade.
For blue collar - get into any trade and start your own company. HVAC, lawn/landscaping, electrical work, automotive repair, plumbing.....all are areas where more talented people are desperately needed.
For blue collar - get into any trade and start your own company. HVAC, lawn/landscaping, electrical work, automotive repair, plumbing.....all are areas where more talented people are desperately needed.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:42 pm to Gaston
Turf management can be very lucrative in the golfing world.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:49 pm to lsu777
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yep....lets work 12-16 hours day making 25 a year....great opportunity especially when you are 50.
the fricking idiots on this board
for all yall running your mouth about the trades are so great...spring is coming up and so are all the Turnarounds...go work just 2 and let me know how you like it and if you still think thats a path you would like your kids to go down.
At the end of the day it is entirely possible for a tradesman to earn a nice living, even the $100K that so many think is a base salary (its about $60k than the median income in the US). This is a fact. Many tradesmen are doing it.
It is also a fact that it ain't easy and very few people are actually built for it. Almost no one is beyond the age of 50 and most will start to realize they are slowing way down in the 40s. For most it is too late at that point to do anything about it.
There is a lot of opportunity to own your own business as a tradesman. That is a fact. Only a small number are cut out for it. That is also a fact.
You can earn a living in a trade. You can do so without any student debt. These are facts. You will, most likely, work a lot of hours and in very harsh conditions...these are also facts. These things do not much matter to a 18 year old straight out of high school. They ain't ever shite in a blue plastic box in Louisiana in July with some a-hole foreman screaming at them for taking so long to shite. They have not been in a steel mill in February at night in Chicago on the 20th 12 hour day straight. Thats the reality. It is not for everyone. Neither is being a medical doctor or a NBA player...it ain't even for everyone who can do it.
I openly discourage young people from going in the trades. It takes a special kind of person to do it into their 50s and many of those special people who could have some kind of accident while doing it that makes it almost impossible to continue. When that happens most do not have a fall back answer. You can earn a living and if you are lucky you can do so until you are old enough to retire...but only about half who start in make it that far and about half of those who do struggled mightily the last 1/3 of their career to do so.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:52 pm to lsu777
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yep....lets work 12-16 hours day making 25 a year....great opportunity especially when you are 50.
It all depends on what one wants in life. You could work 12-16 hours a day as a union tradesman in most parts of the country and make $60k a year in your pocket in 6 months. The problem is most people can't manage money to make that work. Many try, most fail miserably. If you are older than 50 chances are you better be able to make ends meet on 6 months a year because you are not going to be physically able to work at the pace required to work 12....its just a fact of life. It is not for everyone. It is entirely possible to make what appears to be a stupid amount of money. It is damned difficult to do it for 47 or so years.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:55 pm to jflsufan
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They say that Mississippi State is the place to go for this degree.
They haven’t shown much interest, one visit down but that’s it.
I’d want him to focus solely on sports fields…develop some metrics that have yet to be defined, then research/develop how to build that slip or ‘softness’ through ‘soil’ layers and sod. Even think you could back to turf and make that better, the fields need ‘slip’.
I think he's uniquely aware of many paramters that could help every athlete out there. Whether he knows how to articulate them or not.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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99%+ of people in trades are not, nor do they have the intelligence to run a business of any scale efficiently.
Your friend could have been successful in a number of white collar fields, too.
It takes an entirely different set of skills to frame houses than it does to manage a business in the house framing business. Most tradesmen never have any exposure to management. Most are not cut out for it. Most will openly admit they wouldn't try it on a dare. It is entirely possible to do, so is becoming an NFL lineman. Neither is something someone should plan on making a career out of in general terms.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:57 pm to the4thgen
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This is the fricking truth right here. You want to name your price? Learn a skilled trade. Our master plumber on my project makes $350k.
That person is in the top 1/100,000 of master plumbers in earnings in the US. AT best.
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