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BI and JV
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:40 am
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:40 am
combined for 49 points and 24 rebounds. Not too shabby. Better than a sharp stick in the eye.
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:13 am to VOR
trade them now. this is the peak.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:17 am to VOR
One game against the trash of the WC isn’t enough for me to sway shite.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:53 am to VOR
It's an odd thing. I don't really care for either Ingram or Zion and wouldn't mind trading either one or both.
If I had to choose. I'm keeping Ingram over Zion. Ingram can play the 4, with one big beside him. The team can win that way. As fragile as Ingram is, I think he's way more durable.
I'm not giving Ingram a max though. So we'd probably end up moving him down the road anyway. But if I had to pick one right now..
If I had to choose. I'm keeping Ingram over Zion. Ingram can play the 4, with one big beside him. The team can win that way. As fragile as Ingram is, I think he's way more durable.
I'm not giving Ingram a max though. So we'd probably end up moving him down the road anyway. But if I had to pick one right now..
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:11 pm to brmark70816
Zion is the only one on the team with superstar potential. Will he ever get there? Probably not as his work ethic appears to be poor at best, as evidenced by his lack of any real development since entering the league. He really needs to work on developing a jump shot as they just give him threes and 12-15 footers all the time. Again, I don't think he will become that player but the possibility of it makes me think trading him would be a mistake.
I'm fine with shipping out BI, mostly due to his upcoming salary demands and the fact that he and Zion just don't compliment each other well.
I'm fine with shipping out BI, mostly due to his upcoming salary demands and the fact that he and Zion just don't compliment each other well.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:19 pm to VOR
Good game from Val and BI. Gave the team a BIG lift after 3 game slide.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:26 pm to 50_Tiger
No one’s asking you to “sway shite”
Just asking you to be objective.
Just asking you to be objective.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:59 pm to From Rice to Ingram
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Zion is the only one on the team with superstar potential.
I'm afraid this ship his sailed.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:40 pm to From Rice to Ingram
Zion has made multiple fade away jumpers from 8-15 feet. He has made damn near every one he has ever taken. Literally shooting like 11-16 on those shots. He just NEVER takes them unless the defense forces it. Bro really needs to just pull up a few ties when they are sagging off. Who cares if he misses a few, he can make the shot so he should be taking it smh
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:54 pm to VOR
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No one’s asking you to “sway shite” Just asking you to be objective.
Sad state of affairs when you can’t acknowledge good team play unless it revolves around Big Husky.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:40 pm to DetroitEWarren
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Zion has made multiple fade away jumpers from 8-15 feet. He has made damn near every one he has ever taken. Literally shooting like 11-16 on those shots. He just NEVER takes them unless the defense forces it. Bro really needs to just pull up a few ties when they are sagging off. Who cares if he misses a few, he can make the shot so he should be taking it smh
If only we could actually look those stats up huh? Literally huh?
pulled from NBA.com/stats
Zion '24 stats
5-9' 40-106 for 37.7% (blocked 17 times)
10-14' 6-17 for 35.3% (blocked 4 times)
15-29' 5-13 for 38.5%
BI '24 stats
5-9' 31-73 for 42.5% (blocked 5 times)
10-14' 85-165 for 51.5% (blocked 7 times)
15-29' 140-341 for 41%
So we are going to bitch BI taking mid range shots, but now we want Zion taking them, even though he's much shittier at them than BI?
what about last year for Zion?
5-9' 20-60 for 33.3% (blocked 10 times)
10-14' 5-11 for 45.5% (blocked once)
15-29' 8-23 for 34.8%
This supposed athletic freak is getting 16% of his shots blocked from beyond 4' from the basket, and shooting them at a terrible well below average rate.
Zion is getting blocked on over 10% of his attempts within 4' of the basket. I"m sorry but that sounds pathetic. Anthony Edwards gets blocked 6.7% of the time, and he's attempted literally 5x's as many shots that close over the last 2 years as Zion, and is probably the closest player in regards to athleticism and size to Zion, and that's still a terrible comparison.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
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This supposed athletic freak is getting 16% of his shots blocked from beyond 4' from the basket, and shooting them at a terrible well below average rate.
It's because he's shorter. 4 years ago I didn't think of "shorter Giannis" as a major negative, but it is and doesn't seem like a winning path forward.
Zion would be better if he played more like Luka. But you kind of need to be able to shoot to do that. At this point I'd settle for swole Russell Westbrook, at least that guy should be a monster rebounder.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:55 pm to TigerinATL
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It's because he's shorter. 4 years ago I didn't think of "shorter Giannis" as a major negative, but it is and doesn't seem like a winning path forward.
Zion would be better if he played more like Luka. But you kind of need to be able to shoot to do that. At this point I'd settle for swole Russell Westbrook, at least that guy should be a monster rebounder.
It sucks that we get the transcendental star that turns into a giant, and I mean GIANT, what if.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
I SPECIFICALLY said fadeaway jump shots. Meaning shots initiated from a post up, leading to a fadeaway jumper, which he has made more than he has missed, but NEVER takes. Has taken less than 15 of them in his whole career.
AD has mentioned this multiple times, and there is a specific stat for it that was posted during a broadcast last year after he made 2 of them against Utah I think.
AD has mentioned this multiple times, and there is a specific stat for it that was posted during a broadcast last year after he made 2 of them against Utah I think.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:06 pm to TigerinATL
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It's because he's shorter. 4 years ago I didn't think of "shorter Giannis" as a major negative, but it is and doesn't seem like a winning path forward.
that's why i compared him to Anthony Edwards, who gets blocked a lot less.
The average for most guys is anywhere from 8-12%, and you can just about predict it for most guys. Shorter guys are goign to get blocked more, simple as that, especially when they don't have the bulk like Edwards, or height like Tatum, two guys right under 8%. Westbrook was around 12-13% in his prime. DaAron Fox is the same.
Zion is on par with Ja Morant around 10%.
Even Giannis hovers around 8%.
I get Zion is "shorter", but i just didn't expect him to get blocked so often with his body and athleticism.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:10 pm to DetroitEWarren
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I SPECIFICALLY said fadeaway jump shots. Meaning shots initiated from a post up, leading to a fadeaway jumper, which he has made more than he has missed, but NEVER takes. Has taken less than 15 of them in his whole career.
You want Zion taking fadeaway jump shots? Are you for real right now? The mother fricker is shooting under 60% from the free throw line, and now you want him taking a few fadeaways from 12-15'? The defense would probably start laughing at his decision to take a fadeaway jumper, and start egging him on to continue to do so. If he's taken 15 of them, that was 15 too many.
How about we stick with something realistic, like a nice running floater from 6-8'
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
Who TF said I "wanted" him taking a bunch of them. He has made them when he took them, this is a fact. The point being, don't be a scared bitch and take a pull up or 2 when the defense is sagging completely off of you, BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU CAN MAKE THE SHOT IF YOU WORKED ON IT IN GAME.
Even in practice, you see him making jumper after jumper, rather it's one on one pull ups or spot up 3's, he makes a bunch in pre game but never takes them in game. It's retarded, especially if the defense is leaving you wide open.
Even in practice, you see him making jumper after jumper, rather it's one on one pull ups or spot up 3's, he makes a bunch in pre game but never takes them in game. It's retarded, especially if the defense is leaving you wide open.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:48 pm to DetroitEWarren
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Who TF said I "wanted" him taking a bunch of them.
You are the one saying he needs to take them.
Look, i get what you mean. Zion needs to add another dimension to his game. I'd rather he simply try to get to the rim or pass the ball to an open guy and stop forcing it. He doesn't need to take any mid range shots, unless it's some type of floater from less than 10'.
If he drives and realizes he's not getting there, then make a simple pass out to an open guy and immediately post up your man since you are already in the low post, and give the ball right back to him. That's something i'd rather see him do. Instead he passes the ball and typically he's done with that possession and does nothing after passing, b/c he's lazy.
And yes he should be able to turn around and hit an easy shot from the low post. That's on him to work on that aspect of his game, which he has not in 5 years.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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