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Is Mcmahon a good coach?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:32 am
In my opinion yes. This team is showing improvement against good teams. They cut a 28 point lead at Auburn to 8 late in the game. His team plays hard for him. That is a sign of a good coach. he has gotten the team to continue to play quality basketball even when Cook is on the bench. That is something I did not think was possible after watching this team play pre Cook. Good coaching. He has taken a weakness, defense and rebounding, and turned them into strengths. Good coaching. He is managing a team that has probably 13 guys capable of playing which is very difficult to do. And he is running offensive sets that allow his key players to shine. It ain't perfect and he still has the Turnover issues to correct and too much fouling on the defensive side but any talk of him not being able to coach or recruit in the SEC is ancient history. Still have a ways to go but trending in the right direction.
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:35 am to mcspufftiger7
The only thing that can be said with certainty is... maybe.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:43 am to mcspufftiger7
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They cut a 28 point lead at Auburn to 8 late in the game
Moral victories aren’t a stat I would use but I have been impressed so far in SEC play.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:43 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Maybe is a reasonable response. I'm judging him by what he had to deal with his first year and what he has done so far this year. When a team shows improvement then good coaching is usually a component in addition to recruiting. Key is to win the games you can win and then hope for a couple of upsets. So far they have done that with Cook on board. Probably win a few more if Cook had been available at start of the season.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:45 am to mcspufftiger7
Good coaches win. And he is only now starting to do that. Good coaches don't count 15 point losses at "moral victories" just because they didn't get blown out by 40. So if McMahon is a "good coach" remains to be seen. These last 3 victories are great. But that still leaves his career SEC record at 6-18.
Offensively LSU is still a mess. Better than before. But still not good. Can they continue to improve? We'll see. Defensively they have been much better. Not great by any means, but ok. The one thing that he absolutely deserves credit for is his teams ability to take away the opponents' strengths in two of LSU's wins so far (A&M's offensive rebounding, Ole Miss's 3 point shooting). Will that continue? Or will the better teams in the league overwhelm him like they did last season?
This game will be a test because it is the first opponent LSU will have played twice this season. You have to imagine a desperate A&M team is going to make some adjustments to what got them beat two weeks ago. Will McMahon have his team ready and be able to counter in what should be a winnable game at home? We'll see.
Offensively LSU is still a mess. Better than before. But still not good. Can they continue to improve? We'll see. Defensively they have been much better. Not great by any means, but ok. The one thing that he absolutely deserves credit for is his teams ability to take away the opponents' strengths in two of LSU's wins so far (A&M's offensive rebounding, Ole Miss's 3 point shooting). Will that continue? Or will the better teams in the league overwhelm him like they did last season?
This game will be a test because it is the first opponent LSU will have played twice this season. You have to imagine a desperate A&M team is going to make some adjustments to what got them beat two weeks ago. Will McMahon have his team ready and be able to counter in what should be a winnable game at home? We'll see.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:48 am to lsudave1
It is more of a sign of a team that can compete and plays hard for their coach than a moral victory. Should never have gotten down that much but that comeback was a building block to future wins. And done with your star PG on the bench. Very impressive. It gives them the confidence that they can compete with anyone and maybe next time they don't play so tentative to start.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:58 am to mcspufftiger7
The Wade nut huggers are panic mode right now.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:59 am to mcspufftiger7
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In my opinion yes.
If people take their emotions out of the equation, the answer is clearly yes. Does that mean he is up to the task in the SEC or that he will continue to improve at LSU to ultimately compete for the conference title year in and year out? That is a maybe. There is more to being a competitive head coach in the SEC than simply being a good coach. Time will tell, I do think the answer may be yes but a lot will hinge on recruiting going forward.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:59 am to mcspufftiger7
He is better then the disaster people said he was last year, how good he is, is still up in the air. Last year was just a bad roster makeup with guys who didn't mesh and had faults in their games. It was a rush job.
This year is much better. We are deep, can play up to 12 guys, so can go with the hot hands. Still have deficiencies but getting better.
Lets see how the season finishes. He could lose the rest of the games and be run out of town. Or make the NIT and keep improving. We have been a lot better since Cook has come back other then the first half vs. Auburn(won't count the first half vs. Texas as he didn't start and it was his 1st appearance).
So lets see what he does the rest of this year.
This year is much better. We are deep, can play up to 12 guys, so can go with the hot hands. Still have deficiencies but getting better.
Lets see how the season finishes. He could lose the rest of the games and be run out of town. Or make the NIT and keep improving. We have been a lot better since Cook has come back other then the first half vs. Auburn(won't count the first half vs. Texas as he didn't start and it was his 1st appearance).
So lets see what he does the rest of this year.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:00 am to Alt26
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Good coaches win. And he is only now starting to do that.
Was he a good coach at Murray State but now he's not?
Was Brady a good coach and then he wasn't?
Talent and circumstances matter.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:01 am to mcspufftiger7
Last year was such a disaster off the court that I've thrown it out in my judgement of McMahon (not that anyone cares about my opinion). I'm mentally treating this as year 1 for him and give a grade so far of a C+. I'm sure Woodward and the Athletic Department as a whole are also not going to hold 2022-2023 against him.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:01 am to mcspufftiger7
So if they lose to "better teams' that means he isn't a good coach?. Good coaches don't lose games? LOL. Not sure what your point is? I don't think he was overwhelmed the 2nd half of the Auburn game. They will still have some matchup issues with the top teams but they should be able to compete with just about anyone they play.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:02 am to mcspufftiger7
They are playing way tougher than last year, can actually hit at a decent % from 3, and their defense is waaaay better with creating a ton of steals, etc. They are battling for rebounds too.
I thought he seemed like a hard worker, but a bad fit last year given his demeanor on the bench and the team looking so unmotivated (even for the challenge he walked into).
I'm still unsure about whether his demeanor is a good match, but he has gotten a little more intense at times on the bench this year and this start to SEC play is very promising. I hope this can continue because he seems like a good dude who is fired up to be at LSU. He just needs this team to play how they have been playing to get back more fan support.
I thought he seemed like a hard worker, but a bad fit last year given his demeanor on the bench and the team looking so unmotivated (even for the challenge he walked into).
I'm still unsure about whether his demeanor is a good match, but he has gotten a little more intense at times on the bench this year and this start to SEC play is very promising. I hope this can continue because he seems like a good dude who is fired up to be at LSU. He just needs this team to play how they have been playing to get back more fan support.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:05 am to mcspufftiger7
He was objectively bad last season. I think this offseason he did a considerably better job than he did in his first year here at getting players that fit what he wants to do offensively. So I'm not really surprised at that. What I am surprised at is what they've been able to do defensively. Even when I liked the guys they took out the portal for what they can do offensively I didn't think they would help defensively, and that really hasn't been the case.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:08 am to Big EZ Tiger
He just hadn't had enough time for the people expecting miracles. We were left a mess and had punishments hanging over our heads because WW was too dumb to move money before he was allowed to.
WW is not coming back probably ever. Let's embrace this coach and team and slow down knowing it will take until the next recruiting class gets here to really hold them accountable.
WW is not coming back probably ever. Let's embrace this coach and team and slow down knowing it will take until the next recruiting class gets here to really hold them accountable.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:08 am to mcspufftiger7
I think he’s a good coach. You don’t get this far and not be a good coach. It will come down to if he can get the players here. If he recruits well he’ll be really successful. Also need to hit the portal again next year.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:12 am to mcspufftiger7
There is a difference between a good coach and a great coach. Just as there is between a good coach and a bad coach. The mantra here after last year was that Mcmahon was a bad coach and in over his head. This year has shown that is not the case. The back to back high pick plays they ran against Ole Miss. The plays they run to get Ward open 3's. The unexpected rebounding wins. The more aggressive intense defense. Leading the country in steals. This is all coaching and his players have bought in which is also a sign of good coaching win or lose. As his talent level rises so should his record. Time will tell and we still have a long season in front of us but it is time for the Wade cult to either become LSU fans again or just become Mcneese fans and GTFO.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:12 am to tygerphan
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Was he a good coach at Murray State but now he's not?
Sure. He was a good OVC coach. But that doesn't mean he is a good major conf. coach. As you jump up in the level of competition your coaching level has to get better.
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Was Brady a good coach and then he wasn't?
Brady was a good defensive coach. His offenses were generally terrible. And with comparable talent in the Sun Belt with Arkansas St. he really didn't do much of note.
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Talent and circumstances matter.
Of course they matter. You have to have good players. He didn't top of the SEC talent last season. But he had enough to where they should have been FAR better than a 2 win team. By McMahon's own admission SEC teams adjusted to LSU after the Kentucky game (2nd game of the conf. season) and McMahon didn't know how to respond. That's why they went from beating Arkansas, playing well in a loss at Kentucky, to losing 14 straight and getting buttfricked in most of them. The players that were there vs. Arkansas and Kentucky were the same ones there in the 14 straight losses. The SEC competition adjusted.
This year he has a more complete roster. He also has the benefit of having gone through a season of SEC play already. I think we are all, pleasantly, seeing the results of that early on. But it is still early. There are 14 more SEC games left to be played. So it is premature to say "yep, he's a good coach". Frankly, you probably really won't know that answer for a few more years.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:12 am to DhanTigers212
Team is better this year than last. I have some reason to think CMM MAYBE can get LSU back to where WW had us earlier.
My contention is I will give MM three complete seasons and then judge from there. So, maybe March/April 2025 I'll KNOW one way or another.
My contention is I will give MM three complete seasons and then judge from there. So, maybe March/April 2025 I'll KNOW one way or another.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:15 am to DhanTigers212
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I think he’s a good coach. You don’t get this far and not be a good coach. It will come down to if he can get the players here. If he recruits well he’ll be really successful. Also need to hit the portal again next year.
Agree with all of this. His offensive sets are good and team plays hard on defense. Now that the cloud of sanctions are gone let's see how the recruiting goes, I like what he added last cycle.
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