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Posted on 1/3/24 at 1:25 pm to mwade91383
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overall level of talent not up to LSU standards
Last but not least
Need some dogs
Posted on 1/3/24 at 1:39 pm to LSUTigerFan1996
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was never that great to begin with. In 2022, he got bailed out by Perkins a lot. The games we lost in 2022 were primarily because they couldn’t get timely stops in various situations.
This year it was just amplified because the talent was lacking.
Gave up:
40 to Tennessee
38 to 8&4
50 to Georgia
And all of those could’ve been worse honestly.
I don't know that House was great. But the D was so piece meal I thought he did ok in '22. The A&M and UGA collapses were explained away then by lack of DL depth.
Our valleys on D were no lower than on O in '22 (think Arky for example).
Also,when a coach uses a talent like Perkins well, why does the player get all the credit and the coach none. Chief should get credit for using Tyrann as he did in '10.
As for what happened this year I have no idea. Just a total train wreck. And the frustration of realizing all we needed was a few more stops and we're playing for a natty.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 1:53 pm to SpencerRob
quote:ok, but even if this is true, it confirms that House was a terrible college DC.
House’s preferred scheme is very complex, and the players couldn’t grasp it, combined with the fact that Perkins doesn’t have traditional linebacker skills. His scheme and his personality are better fits for the NFL
Every college coach knows he'll have NCAA-mandated limits on practice time. And if he has a lot of roster turnover (which House knew about) it confirms that the coach has to keep things simple.
Any coach that tries to implement a scheme that's too complex for his college roster isn't doing his job.
Any decent DC can have a good defense with elite talent. The true test of a coach is what he does with lesser talent.
And House failed that test miserably.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 2:04 pm to Phillytiger9
Talent was down and House could have been a better playcaller, but I believe our primary issue was our position coaches were not good technical teachers.
Even with bad scheme and good fundamentals, we would have had some stops. Our players didn't look like they knew what they were doing.
Even with bad scheme and good fundamentals, we would have had some stops. Our players didn't look like they knew what they were doing.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 2:09 pm to Phillytiger9
Never seen anything like it. It was bizarre. The players had no idea what they were doing and they couldn't tackle. Dangerous combination.
Looked like a Big 12 defense in the SEC. It was the perfect storm of awful coaching, talent, and effort. The Secondary wasn't good enough to play man and they couldn't understand zone concepts. Still reached 10 wins. Incredible.
Looked like a Big 12 defense in the SEC. It was the perfect storm of awful coaching, talent, and effort. The Secondary wasn't good enough to play man and they couldn't understand zone concepts. Still reached 10 wins. Incredible.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 2:21 pm to Phillytiger9
He was way short on talent and this past year, many of transfers didn’t work out. What I didn’t understand was the lack of tackling. Many of these kids were good athletes coming out of HS but they missed WAY too many tackles. That can improve but it didn’t. He played the secondary deep cause he had to. He was trying to prevent teams from going deep. It wasn’t all House but he is the head guy for the defense so he’s ultimately responsible.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 2:23 pm to mgdtiger
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I think House got scared by all the issues we had and went so basic and so soft that we got killed. Then as his defense got killed it made the guys on the field look even worse, so he continued to go softer and more basic
Regardless, a good coach learns to disguise his deficiencies. Yeah, we were down some key players, but no reason for how out of position and lost players were on defense. And don't forget the poor tackling was inexcusable. Our defensive players did not lack so much in the way of talent that they gave up 300+ yards to Grambling unless there was a seriously flawed defensive scheme! Rumors about House having the players turning on him was the absolute final dagger!
Posted on 1/3/24 at 2:44 pm to BadatBourre
I do know that he played a semi prevent zone defense on dang near every 3rd and longish play the entire season. Ranking 116th in 3rd down stop efficiency is absolutely telling. He was gutless and played it safe, not knowing what else to do. Made him look like a fool and embarrassed the players.
Red zone efficiency was darn near as bad, and that was again because he was basically afraid to challenge the offense.
Red zone efficiency was darn near as bad, and that was again because he was basically afraid to challenge the offense.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:38 pm to Madking
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Perkins was neutralized by our own coaches
Among other reasons, this for me was one of the most puzzling.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 4:21 pm to Madking
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Perkins was neutralized by our own coaches so things got way out of hand.
I disagree. I think the tape on perkins is out and teams realized that if he isnt in pursuit he isnt that great. He is too light to stand his ground against olinemen and doesn't shed blocks once they get engaged so teams ran right at him a lot. He was also nullified by tackles plying his outside shoulder knowing he couldn't muscle through them on the inside. He really needs to add 15 to 20 lbs of muscle.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 4:35 pm to Phillytiger9
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What happened to House and this defense in one year?
there was very good legitimate reasons why irish had to force BK to fire house.
when BK stupidly brought him here, i knew it was going to be a shite show.
BK caused this problem 100%
Posted on 1/3/24 at 5:15 pm to Phillytiger9
I suppose the thirty nine players left by Orgeron and Staff went to the NFL.
We had to depend on Kelly's staff and unfortunately they coached like Woody's Boy, Pellini.
We had to depend on Kelly's staff and unfortunately they coached like Woody's Boy, Pellini.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:13 pm to Phillytiger9
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I guess my question is how do you possibly drop 50 spots in the ranking when you did not have a catastrophic loss of talent or anything in particular happen where you can put your finger to it and say welp.. this is why. Sure our secondary was horrible and we had some tough injuries but to go from slightly above average to letting Wisconsin pass all over you seems ridiculous. I think House was just THAT bad of a coach.
House has proven he can be average to good (he had one great season at UK) IF he has the perfect setup to play his scheme exactly as he wants. The problem is that it all falls apart when he doesn’t.
Last year, we had a lot of experienced key veterans who held the defense together. That included all of the portal guys who played big roles in the secondary and on the DL. In the secondary we added JBC, who was very experienced, and 2 guys from Arkansas. That was key because Odom also ran a TON of zone, so they knew what to do as soon as they hit the field. House had enough guys to understand and run his overcomplicated scheme without dumbing it down. And even with this, we were still just an average to above average defense.
What you saw this year was what happens when you give House less experienced players who can’t get his scheme in one offseason. He isn’t a good enough or creative enough to adjust his system to them and he obviously can’t teach them how to run it very well. He can only be successful if you give him exactly what he needs to run what he wants every season, but that just isn’t possible, especially with the way the portal and NIL work today.
Great coaches never stop learning and growing and even good coaches are capable of being flexible and adjusting. House has none of these traits.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:13 pm to Phillytiger9
The whole team is behind the play every time. Speed! This is the slowest D I’ve seen at LSU. Even when we sucked with Polinni (spl?) we
had some speed!
had some speed!
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:22 pm to SLIPSHITE
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The whole team is behind the play every time. Speed! This is the slowest D I’ve seen at LSU.
That’s not all on the players. House ran a read and react scheme. One of the most difficult things about that is getting players to understand the system to the point that they react quickly enough that they don’t get caught flat footed.
What did you see from our players all season? They looked like they were waiting at the line for blockers to come at them. They were slow to close on receivers on pass plays. There was no movement in the zone defense. If you delay moving of .5 seconds, that all it takes to be roasted on a play and you saw that over and over.
It wasn’t just an overall lack of athleticism. Our players were thinking too much and playing passive rather than reacting instinctually. That’s the scheme. There is a reason that most college DCs don’t run this kind of defense. It’s hard to get younger college players to master it, especially with the limited practice time allowed in college football. It’s a bad fit and we saw the worst of it.
Put our current players in an attacking scheme that they understand and watch how much faster they look and more aggressive they play. It won’t solve everything, but it will definitely help.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:55 pm to Phillytiger9
Don’t underestimate the loss of jimmy lindsey before the start of the season being a major reason for the D doing so poorly
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:58 pm to Phillytiger9
They need to do a medical examination on House before he departs.
I think he may have been kicked in the head by a mule or something.
It's the only explanation I can think of. Look for a hoof indentation on his forehead for love of Pete, think of the children!
I think he may have been kicked in the head by a mule or something.
It's the only explanation I can think of. Look for a hoof indentation on his forehead for love of Pete, think of the children!
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:01 am to mgdtiger
All true but I think he had bad blood with several players. Not sure why but the effort level was very noticeable
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