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re: Raffensperger refusing to testify about Georgia's voting machines
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:53 pm to BBONDS25
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:53 pm to BBONDS25
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Can you link the interrogatories, RFPs, and the responses? It would be a fascinating read.
I don't think he is going to link them. Damn shame, I need some good reading material.
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:57 pm to the808bass
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There’s no tracking of changes made by user.
Cardinal rule type of flaw
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When ballots are not automatically adjudicated, a user can go in and determine the voters intent, print out the new ballot with the “voters intent” and replace the original ballot with the new adjudicated ballot.
Even an attorney should be able to see the problem with that
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There is some indication that ballots which did not adjudicate can be adjudicated by batch processes. Try to let that sink in. Thus the clamor for the original ballot images.
This brings in mass manipulation possibilities. It would be instant disqualification of a security audit for approval to be used.
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This would not be unacceptable security for a voting system for a high school election. Let alone a state-wide federal election.
It violates almost every state law regarding the voting equipment.
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That’s to say nothing of software updates and timing, fractional voting possibilities, lack of ongoing certification of machines and internet connectivity.
You also didn't mention that the physical audit of ballots doesn't match the soft ballot count...and that some ballot images are missing...and some ballots are missing...and that of the few ballot image they've seen they found duplicate ballots.
SFP knows these things. He tries to focus on the "pillow man" because he thinks it allows him to ignore it.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:59 pm to moneyg
There’s a class of mostly moderate voters who need to believe the system is still legitimate, no matter any evidence to the contrary.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:09 pm to the808bass
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There’s a class of mostly moderate voters who need to believe the system is still legitimate, no matter any evidence to the contrary.
You and I have sparred on other topics, but I appreciate your willingness to discuss the election fraud honestly.
I don't agree that this is a "need to believe the system is legitimate".
This is much closer to the "it's my truth damnit and I have to believe it in order for my other beliefs to make sense." "Personal truth" has infested a lot of people (I agree that it's usually the left and moderate group).
SFP thinks truth is defined by what he admits/acknowledges vs. what actually happened. It's emotional thinking at its finest and he will swear up and down that it's not the case.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:19 pm to moneyg
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SFP knows these things. He tries to focus on the "pillow man" because he thinks it allows him to ignore it.
He's the only one who attempted to present actual evidence. He was laughed at (and owes a lot of money) as a result, but he is the only one who nutted up.
You've posted possibilities and assumptions/suppositions, but no evidence.
People have been asking, more begging, for 3 years for evidence. We're still waiting
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:21 pm to the808bass
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You always want to avoid the actual holes in the system.
Holes in the system are irrelevant for purposes of discussing 2020 if they weren't exploited.
What people are asking for is actual evidence of the alleged fraud from 2020. It's been 3 years and we're still waiting.
I will concede any point about potential security flaw you want, but it is still irrelevant to the discussion until you give evidence of how that security flaw was exploited, where, the effects, etc.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He's the only one who attempted to present actual evidence. He was laughed at (and owes a lot of money) as a result, but he is the only one who nutted up.
You think the only person who has attempted to present evidence of voter fraud is Mike Lindell?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Holes in the system are irrelevant for purposes of discussing 2020 if they weren't exploited.
You don't know if they weren't exploited and the flaws in the system prevent it from passing an audit that would indicate that they weren't exploited.
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What people are asking for is actual evidence of the alleged fraud from 2020. It's been 3 years and we're still waiting.
There's tons of evidence. Do you want evidence or rock solid definitive proof. Statistical anomalies are evidence. Defiance of state law is evidence. Breaking of procedure is evidence. Lies that remove independent poll watchers during counting is evidence. Duplicate images is evidence. Counts that don't match physical ballots is evidence. Lack of chain of custody is evidence.
All of this is in Georgia. Why would you claim that there's no evidence.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:30 pm to moneyg
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You don't know if they weren't exploited
Where did I I did?
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and the flaws in the system prevent it from passing an audit that would indicate that they weren't exploited.
Again, irrelevant to what I said.
I already ceded the security argument for purpose of this thread. Now it's about evidence of the exploitation of those security issues.
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Do you want evidence or rock solid definitive proof. Statistical anomalies are evidence. Defiance of state law is evidence. Breaking of procedure is evidence. Lies that remove independent poll watchers during counting is evidence. Duplicate images is evidence. Counts that don't match physical ballots is evidence. Lack of chain of custody is evidence.
The only 2 of those with any weight are the statistics and counts that don't match, IF they are what you claim they are.
Any unbiased sourcing on these 2? Or at least credible and apolitical?
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Why would you claim that there's no evidence.
Hundreds of millions of dollars have been paid instead of relying on this allegedly pervasive evidence. That's just for the court cases.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
You are an insufferable prick. And an idiot.
There is absolutely enough evidence to trigger a number of things including
A. Verification of all eligible voters
B. Actual manual recount of votes to eligible voters to confirm authenticity, accuracy and correctness
Now crawl back into your little hole
There is absolutely enough evidence to trigger a number of things including
A. Verification of all eligible voters
B. Actual manual recount of votes to eligible voters to confirm authenticity, accuracy and correctness
Now crawl back into your little hole
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:13 pm to moneyg
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SFP knows these things. He tries to focus on the "pillow man" because he thinks it allows him to ignore it.
SFP doesn’t really care one way or the other, he’s just contrarian so he can argue a position counter to the majority opinion. How very lawyer of him.
eta: I can easily picture SFP on a majority Prog website arguing that the election was stolen and Trump actually won, and I can respect that.
Of course, he would be quickly banned as Progs are less tolerant of opposing opinions than this site.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:48 pm to PsychTiger
SFP would rather be miserable than wrong.
That’s not lawyerly. Good lawyers admit when they’re wrong so they can cut their losses. It’s just flat out contrarian.
That’s not lawyerly. Good lawyers admit when they’re wrong so they can cut their losses. It’s just flat out contrarian.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:52 pm to Wednesday
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SFP would rather be miserable than wrong.
That’s not lawyerly. Good lawyers admit when they’re wrong so they can cut their losses. It’s just flat out contrarian.
Just like his mentor Hank, and their apprentice kiwihead.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:54 pm to WPBTiger
Georgians are pussies
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:57 pm to Wednesday
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Good lawyers admit when they’re wrong so they can cut their losses.
More evidence for you to be Trump’s AG.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Holes in the system are irrelevant for purposes of discussing 2020 if they weren't exploited.
No investigations equals no determinations.
Independent audits are the only legitimate course of action.
Too bad that potential evidence has “gone missing.”
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:18 pm to dafif
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There is absolutely enough evidence to trigger a number of things including
A. Verification of all eligible voters
B. Actual manual recount of votes to eligible voters to confirm authenticity, accuracy and correctness
Is this a legal or logical argument? Once you answer that, cite me the authority you're relying on other than emotion, please.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:20 pm to jimmy the leg
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No investigations equals no determinations.
There have been probably over 100 investigations and lawsuits by now.
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Independent audits are the only legitimate course of action.
Based on what, exactly?
Are we just randomly making definitive statements? If so, I counter by saying "Independent audits are not legitimate courses of action" and we're at a stalemate.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:20 pm to Wednesday
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Good lawyers admit when they’re wrong so they can cut their losses
When I'm wrong, I admit it.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There have been probably over 100 investigations and lawsuits by now.
Right, but not independent ones.
You trust that those that may have committed the crimes are now suddenly going to put forth an honest investigation. I don’t.
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Based on what, exactly?
Credibility.
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