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So how do we fix our tendency to blow leads?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:02 am
I do think this has been slightly overblown (no pun intended). There’s no lead less safe than a 20pt 2nd quarter lead in the NBA, that’s not just a Pelicans problem.
However we do seem to get up then give it up more often than most teams. I think it’s the way our offense is designed and our personnel. We play our best when we run, our defense is at its best when it’s high pressure forcing turnovers and quick shots. Playing that way is an awesome way to get out to a big lead, it’s also a great way to give one up… if you’re playing super fast and you go cold for a few minutes you are giving the other team a lot of chances, especially if you aren’t hitting the offensive glass hard which we don’t if Jonas isn’t in. Also forcing them into quick bad shots is great, but it’s the NBA and sometimes they just make shots they statistically shouldn’t because everyone on the court is an incredible player.
Finally, Zion being out of shape hurts our style when he gets gassed in the 3rd and 4th quarters and no longer plays defense or runs down the court full speed…
Anyway, I like our style of play, it fits the players we have on our roster. If I’m the coach I’m spending as much time as a I can in practice working on half court offense that isn’t just ISO or a Zion PnR, (I’m sure they are already doing this). If we can develop that, we will be a tough team to beat.
However we do seem to get up then give it up more often than most teams. I think it’s the way our offense is designed and our personnel. We play our best when we run, our defense is at its best when it’s high pressure forcing turnovers and quick shots. Playing that way is an awesome way to get out to a big lead, it’s also a great way to give one up… if you’re playing super fast and you go cold for a few minutes you are giving the other team a lot of chances, especially if you aren’t hitting the offensive glass hard which we don’t if Jonas isn’t in. Also forcing them into quick bad shots is great, but it’s the NBA and sometimes they just make shots they statistically shouldn’t because everyone on the court is an incredible player.
Finally, Zion being out of shape hurts our style when he gets gassed in the 3rd and 4th quarters and no longer plays defense or runs down the court full speed…
Anyway, I like our style of play, it fits the players we have on our roster. If I’m the coach I’m spending as much time as a I can in practice working on half court offense that isn’t just ISO or a Zion PnR, (I’m sure they are already doing this). If we can develop that, we will be a tough team to beat.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 9:04 am
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:06 am to Tiger1242
It’s frustrating, but it does happen across the entire NBA. I think for the Pels, it’s a matter of maintaining intensity until the very end. Willie preaches it, and the players have to buy in.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:11 am to VOR
Yea no doubt. It’s gotta be tough when you preach that but both of your stars are the biggest issue when it comes to constant intensity and effort, however they are also the key to your success
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 9:12 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:15 am to Tiger1242
It’s not that complicated, we have to play faster and with more pace when we have leads. Willie too often plays lineups with not enough scorers and sits on the lead instead of playing fast.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:19 am to saintslsupels
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It’s not that complicated, we have to play faster and with more pace when we have leads. Willie too often plays lineups with not enough scorers and sits on the lead instead of playing fast.
That’s much easier said than done. If you played at a fast pace and hit shots to build the lead, now the guys who did that are tired and you have to sub. Maybe your subs aren’t shooting it as well or can’t maintain that pace. Also the other team will sub and maybe find a good combination to counter your fast pace. Or you leave the lineup in that got you there but now they are worn out and can’t maintain.
It’s not as simple as “just play faster”
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:19 am to Tiger1242
The NBA is like Mario Kart. It’s the rubber band effect. Get too far out ahead and the refs start giving the other team blue spike shells and stars while you’re collecting coins and tripping over your own banana peels.
I hope you have enjoyed my TED Talk.
I hope you have enjoyed my TED Talk.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:40 am to Tiger1242
quote:And this is the reality. The NBA is a star driven league and the power lies disproportionately with them more so than any other sports league. So you just gotta hope your stars have that internal drive to do what it takes to win for the team. To this point our two have not really displayed much of that.
t’s gotta be tough when you preach that but both of your stars are the biggest issue when it comes to constant intensity and effort, however they are also the key to your success
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:42 am to Tiger1242
To put it nicely, and I do mean this with all due respect, Willie Green needs to get his fricking head out of his arse with his 3rd/4th quarter rotations.
More Trey/Jose
Less Naji/Herb
More Trey/Jose
Less Naji/Herb
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:43 am to Tiger1242
quote:VOR
intensity until the very end. Willie preaches it, and the players have to buy in.
Seems right.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:08 am to saintslsupels
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Willie too often plays lineups with not enough scorers and sits on the lead instead of playing fast.
Agree. When we get those leads, Willie immediately begins to think defense and subs in the non-shooting/scoring lineups instead of thinking more offense to continue to build the lead.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:17 am to medtiger
We go on runs when we hustle and we start to fall behind when we don’t. And we hustle in spurts, it’s as simple as that. When we are active, we play good defense, push the pace and we don’t have to go against a set defense. When we don’t, teams tend to find the mismatch against our defense, and like all offenses, we are not nearly as efficient vs a 5 man defense.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:17 am to goatmilker
Problem with Willie is, he nonstop preaches one thing, then goes all try way out of his way to do the complete opposite of what he nonstop preaches.
There's no alignment in the overall vision for this team and how Willie goes about trying to reach that vision.
There's no alignment in the overall vision for this team and how Willie goes about trying to reach that vision.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:21 am to medtiger
This is the difficulty with having a “deep” team but not a team with that many standouts, it’s hard to find the right lineup.
I mean in this thread we’ve got people saying Jose has to play more down the stretch and then also people saying we’ve got to play our best offensive lineup down the stretch…. Willie has to try to thread the needle with the right lineup every night and sometimes he gets it wrong.
I mean in this thread we’ve got people saying Jose has to play more down the stretch and then also people saying we’ve got to play our best offensive lineup down the stretch…. Willie has to try to thread the needle with the right lineup every night and sometimes he gets it wrong.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:45 am to Tiger1242
A lot of times I feel like we switch to protect the lead mode after getting a big lead.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:55 am to Split2874
Starting 5 isn't cohesive or very good together this season. Poor spacing, clunky offensive possessions, too many hands to feed and it spreads the team thin when you play them that many minutes together especially in the third where teams are exploiting them on the defensive side of the ball.
They just need to stagger these guys earlier on the quarter and always have 3 scorers on the court at all times. That allows Trey to be in the game earlier and gives us better spacing.
I think playing the starting 5 together for this many minutes is a waste since there's only so many possessions to be had when they're on the floor together.
They just need to stagger these guys earlier on the quarter and always have 3 scorers on the court at all times. That allows Trey to be in the game earlier and gives us better spacing.
I think playing the starting 5 together for this many minutes is a waste since there's only so many possessions to be had when they're on the floor together.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:54 am to Tiger1242
Our offense is designed in a way that can get totally screwed up by the refs.
If we had better shooting it would prevent the refs from totally destroying our offense. It is the best neutralizer. If you space the floor and are shooting/making threes. It is hard for the refs to let a defense play you physical. If the offense is designed on playing at the rim they can just let your opponent mug you and swallow the whistle.
The same thing on defense. They can start calling touch fouls constantly. If you can just keep hammering them with shooting it prevents the refs from bringing your opponent back in the game because your offense is still pacing out front.
NBA officiating is some of the most objective in sports. It is very easy for them to manipulate if you don’t have good to great shooting.
If we had better shooting it would prevent the refs from totally destroying our offense. It is the best neutralizer. If you space the floor and are shooting/making threes. It is hard for the refs to let a defense play you physical. If the offense is designed on playing at the rim they can just let your opponent mug you and swallow the whistle.
The same thing on defense. They can start calling touch fouls constantly. If you can just keep hammering them with shooting it prevents the refs from bringing your opponent back in the game because your offense is still pacing out front.
NBA officiating is some of the most objective in sports. It is very easy for them to manipulate if you don’t have good to great shooting.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 11:57 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:06 pm to supe12sta12z
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Starting 5 isn't cohesive or very good together this season. Poor spacing, clunky offensive possessions, too many hands to feed and it spreads the team thin when you play them that many minutes together especially in the third where teams are exploiting them on the defensive side of the ball.
They just need to stagger these guys earlier on the quarter and always have 3 scorers on the court at all times. That allows Trey to be in the game earlier and gives us better spacing.
I think playing the starting 5 together for this many minutes is a waste since there's only so many possessions to be had when they're on the floor together.
I agree with pretty much all of this
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:02 pm to Tiger1242
Admit that Trey is your best player and at least get him off the bench earlier in the 3rd
Posted on 12/23/23 at 5:46 pm to Tiger1242
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I mean in this thread we’ve got people saying Jose has to play more down the stretch and then also people saying we’ve got to play our best offensive lineup down the stretch…. Willie has to try to thread the needle with the right lineup every night and sometimes he gets it wrong.
No, he needs to play the best offensive lineup period. Until it's absolutely mandatory to get a stop like against Memphis the other night. That lineup was fine, but the execution/playcall was shite.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:39 pm to medtiger
lol we suck arse and team is soft. Until this changes you’re putting into too much effort
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