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Honest poll on the defense
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:24 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:24 am
Do you think the problem was House?
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 8:24 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:37 am to BallChamp00
House, we had talent. The schemes were terrible. Perkins should have been a spy the whole year. Play calling lacking.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:39 am to BallChamp00
The fact they just continued to do things that didn't work over and over. If you've already given up 7/9 on 3rd and long... why the hell wouldn't you try something different? Worst case scenario is you give up another 40 yards to a slow white dude like usual.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:49 am to BallChamp00
C: All of the above. .
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:11 am to BallChamp00
I would say lack of talent had there been obvious attempts to change things up that did not work.
That's not really what we saw for the majority of the year.
That's not really what we saw for the majority of the year.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:13 am to BallChamp00
Third and House was a big problem last season too
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:14 am to BallChamp00
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This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:14 am to BallChamp00
I remember one series in the A&M game that convinced me it’s the coach, not the players.
I believe it was A&Ms second touchdown drive. 1st and 10, #2 for LSU gets in the backfield and it’s now 2nd and 12. #2 gets in the backfield again and it’s now 3rd and 11. On 3rd down I see #2 walking off the field. WHY!!! That’s 100% a coaching issue.
I believe it was A&Ms second touchdown drive. 1st and 10, #2 for LSU gets in the backfield and it’s now 2nd and 12. #2 gets in the backfield again and it’s now 3rd and 11. On 3rd down I see #2 walking off the field. WHY!!! That’s 100% a coaching issue.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:30 am to BallChamp00
yes could not make adjustments
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:34 am to BallChamp00
100% on House.
No way in hell you can blame “talent”.
Even if we played our 2nd and 3rd string only, we should bottom out at “average”.
This defense was due to piss poor schemes and play calling. Very evident when House was relieved of his play calling in the 2nd half of the A&M game.
No way in hell you can blame “talent”.
Even if we played our 2nd and 3rd string only, we should bottom out at “average”.
This defense was due to piss poor schemes and play calling. Very evident when House was relieved of his play calling in the 2nd half of the A&M game.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:34 am to BallChamp00
House was definitely the problem. While this was not the most talented group of players we have ever had, even if considered sub par, they were way more talented than the results achieved. Scheme was the problem. Linebacker play was absolutely the worst I have ever seen at LSU. Virtually no improvement until the last half of the last game. Many other teams would have loved to have had the talent we had on defense.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:47 am to BallChamp00
It was mainly scheme issue. Although Cooks and Steeples were not helping. But I would be okay with having the same players with all new defensive coaches. It was bad and refused to make adjustments.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:20 am to BallChamp00
quote:
Do you think the problem was House?
Obviously House was a significant part of the issues. However, to those who think the talent level is there and it was 100% House, I have one simple question:
How many of the 2023 starters on defense would have started on the 2019 defense?
You can make an argument for Perkins, but it would be more as a situational substitution.
A 2022 Wingo would have been in the DL rotation, but not the 2023 version who tried to play through injuries.
For the remainder of the 2023 defensive starters the answer is none would be starters on the 2019 defense.
The 2023 issues on defense are multifaceted. The poster who answered C all of the above gets it.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:54 am to BallChamp00
I honestly don't have a clue.
Maybe, it's all houses fault.
Maybe, it's all the position coaches' fault.
Maybe, it's all the players' fault.
Likely, it's a combination of all three. That said, I would personally put most of the blame on the position coaches.
In my eyes we will know what went wrong if Matt House is retained. I also trust that Brian Kelly will fire House without hesitation if he believes this defense's problem was the defensive coordinator. Should house be retained then I have a strong feeling it's going to be the fault of the position coaches, which I personally think was the problem. Coordinators have very little hands on time with the players unless they are also responsible for a position group, which in that case they only spend that time with that position group. In House's case he was also the linebackers coach, which weren't great but that was mostly due to poor tackling/effort. The positions he wasn't coaching directly were much worse in my opinion. The d-line was terrible, the safeties were bad, and the corners were non-existant. Schematically we were fine prior to losing Greg Brooks. It was mostly a tackling and talent issue against FSU, but the d-line was still bad in that game. Once we lost our uperclass secondary players, things got really bad. The new guys were so fundamentally inept, had poor communication, and consistently busted assignments. The fundamentals, poor communication, and busted assignments is 100% on the position coaches. It's not Matt House's responsibility to teach the players his scheme, it's his assistant's responsibility to teach House's scheme to the players.
House had a very good scheme and called great plays in 2022, our biggest flaw was blown assignment (this goes back to the coaching staff). But he also had a veteran defense in 2022. With veteran leaders and fundamentally sound players, all they needed to learn was the new scheme. In 2023, we lost basically every leader. Then their replacements, while talented, didn't have strong fundamentals which needed to be taught. To me it looks like the assistant coaches were bad at teaching fundamentals, and bad at teaching the scheme/playcalls (even more blown assignments in 2023).
Once you add all these issues together you are left with a team that doesn't know what the frick they're doing. Out of position constantly, blowing assignments, and then on top off all that missing tackles. So what happens, House simplifies the defense to try to make up for the grocery list of short comings his team had.
I also think Matt House messed up. I don't think he had a clue on what to do with such a fundamentally inept and poorly coached defense. In his eyes he decided playing simple prevent defense would reduce the bleeding and let the offense keep you in games. I think that was a bad choice and directly lost us games.
With good position coaches to teach his scheme and fundamentals, from a play calling perspective I think Matt House is a good defensive coordinator.
Maybe, it's all houses fault.
Maybe, it's all the position coaches' fault.
Maybe, it's all the players' fault.
Likely, it's a combination of all three. That said, I would personally put most of the blame on the position coaches.
In my eyes we will know what went wrong if Matt House is retained. I also trust that Brian Kelly will fire House without hesitation if he believes this defense's problem was the defensive coordinator. Should house be retained then I have a strong feeling it's going to be the fault of the position coaches, which I personally think was the problem. Coordinators have very little hands on time with the players unless they are also responsible for a position group, which in that case they only spend that time with that position group. In House's case he was also the linebackers coach, which weren't great but that was mostly due to poor tackling/effort. The positions he wasn't coaching directly were much worse in my opinion. The d-line was terrible, the safeties were bad, and the corners were non-existant. Schematically we were fine prior to losing Greg Brooks. It was mostly a tackling and talent issue against FSU, but the d-line was still bad in that game. Once we lost our uperclass secondary players, things got really bad. The new guys were so fundamentally inept, had poor communication, and consistently busted assignments. The fundamentals, poor communication, and busted assignments is 100% on the position coaches. It's not Matt House's responsibility to teach the players his scheme, it's his assistant's responsibility to teach House's scheme to the players.
House had a very good scheme and called great plays in 2022, our biggest flaw was blown assignment (this goes back to the coaching staff). But he also had a veteran defense in 2022. With veteran leaders and fundamentally sound players, all they needed to learn was the new scheme. In 2023, we lost basically every leader. Then their replacements, while talented, didn't have strong fundamentals which needed to be taught. To me it looks like the assistant coaches were bad at teaching fundamentals, and bad at teaching the scheme/playcalls (even more blown assignments in 2023).
Once you add all these issues together you are left with a team that doesn't know what the frick they're doing. Out of position constantly, blowing assignments, and then on top off all that missing tackles. So what happens, House simplifies the defense to try to make up for the grocery list of short comings his team had.
I also think Matt House messed up. I don't think he had a clue on what to do with such a fundamentally inept and poorly coached defense. In his eyes he decided playing simple prevent defense would reduce the bleeding and let the offense keep you in games. I think that was a bad choice and directly lost us games.
With good position coaches to teach his scheme and fundamentals, from a play calling perspective I think Matt House is a good defensive coordinator.
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