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Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:11 pm to tigernurse
Are you a nurse?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:11 pm to Columbia
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These surgery centers and clinics are all selling out to big corporate umbrella companies. The same will happen there.
You know, you could go out there and put up some of your own money, take out a loan and take on the risk of being part owner of an ASC.
Then you can reap the rewards of "selling out" to big corporate umbrellas.
Or you could just continue what you're doing and bitch about the physicians who did just that.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:12 pm to JasonDBlaha
yes. 
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:12 pm to tigernurse
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frick them.
No, thank you.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:12 pm to tigernurse
Why do you hate it, might I ask?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:14 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Why do you hate it, might I ask?
I don't. I was being facetious.
I love being a nurse. I couldn't imagine doing anything else.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:15 pm to deltaland
All you need is a bus pass to get into nursing school
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:15 pm to TDTOM
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frick them.
No, thank you.
wise decision.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:16 pm to tigernurse
Well that’s great.
Would you say travel nursing is the way to go, or NP, if one is in it for the money?
Would you say travel nursing is the way to go, or NP, if one is in it for the money?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:24 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Would you say travel nursing is the way to go, or NP, if one is in it for the money?
so it's apples and oranges sort of
First off, I don't think nurses should be able to take travel assignments without at least 5 years experience.
Second, if you're looking into nursing for the money- then please don't pick nursing. If your heart is to serve and help sick ppl then by all means- choose nursing and advance your degree as far as you'd like.
In terms of travel vs NP, that is not as commonly compared as say NP vs CRNA.
for me- considering the NP vs CRNA route would come down to 'do I like awake patients or sleeping ones"
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:18 pm to JasonDBlaha
If you're really concerned with the quality of nurses in this country the solution isn't to pay nurses close to $400k. Its to quit running hospitals like a fortune 500 company. There is way too much middle mgmt / administrative bloat and they are direly concerned with the bottom line. Nurses are claiming they're underpaid because they are overworked. Cutting administrative bs, hiring more nurses, decreasing mandatory work load, and hiring hospital execs who don't run the hospital like GM would greatly increase the quality of care.
ETA: School systems nationwide could benefit cutting district admin jobs too which could go to additional teacher pay.
ETA: School systems nationwide could benefit cutting district admin jobs too which could go to additional teacher pay.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:31 pm to Mootsman
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If you're really concerned with the quality of nurses in this country the solution isn't to pay nurses close to $400k. Its to quit running hospitals like a fortune 500 company. There is way too much middle mgmt / administrative bloat and they are direly concerned with the bottom line. Nurses are claiming they're underpaid because they are overworked. Cutting administrative bs, hiring more nurses, decreasing mandatory work load, and hiring hospital execs who don't run the hospital like GM would greatly increase the quality of care.
ETA: School systems nationwide could benefit cutting district admin jobs too which could go to additional teacher pay.
i agree with not running a hospital solely as a business, but the argument is, what is the other solution? have the government step in and run it? no thank you. you could also argue that the US has the best health care in the world bc it is run like a business unlike many other countries where the govt controls it and its hard for most people to even see a doctor on short notice
there was a guy from China in my grad school program who said the main reason he chose to do grad school in the US is bc he has some health issues where he would literally die before he could see a doctor in China
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:35 pm to Mootsman
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There is way too much middle mgmt / administrative bloat and they are direly concerned with the bottom line.
OTOH, my experience in healthcare admin has taught me that when middle management is filled with RNs (as so much of it in healthcare is), the business will likely struggle. I always get a kick out of hospitals that try to deploy six sigma or lean manufacturing principles with a bunch of RNs that have never worked in corporate America.
IMO, the reason that there is a supposed nursing shortage is that the goal of so many of them is to work PRN or get a desk job in healthcare.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:44 pm to hubertcumberdale
Getting private equity out of hospitals could be an options. I'm really not sure but the administrative midlevel creep is a structural issue in most companies not just hospitals. Just pointing out the issue I don't have a solution.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:47 pm to Mootsman
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Getting private equity out of hospitals could be an options. I'm really not sure but the administrative midlevel creep is a structural issue in most companies not just hospitals. Just pointing out the issue I don't have a solution.
i dont either but agree that they (the gov i guess) should do something to maybe regulate it more while maintaining a high level of care
what also blows my mind is watching cable tv and every other commercial is a pharmaceutical ad. isnt it the providers job to tell me what meds i should be taking? why is so much money being spent on advertising specific drugs?
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:48 pm to bazeball
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IMO, the reason that there is a supposed nursing shortage is that the goal of so many of them is to work PRN or get a desk job in healthcare.
I honestly don’t know why there is such a shortage. It seems that this has been a trend for more than a decade though.
It’s not new for sure though, and while COVID has contributed, it nor the vax mandate is the greatest cause.
And I agree with you on RN’s taking corporate roles in the hospital industry without having an MBA or having worked in any other industry is mind blowing.
Make it make sense- and it just doesn’t.
Another thing that I’ve noticed in hospital management is the changing of hats and roles- ppl get ‘fired’ from one mgmt role only to be placed in a different mgmt role.
Bring in fresh minds, ideas, and viewpoints.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:01 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Doctorate of Nurse Practicioner is a bullshite scam degree
Yep, but that’s the new standard for ‘25. Fast tracking RN’s to NP is the bigger scam-IMHO
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:18 pm to Rick9Plus
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I’m glad you brought up teachers, too. Your child’s teacher spends a lot more time with them than you do. You don’t have to have the intelligence of a brain surgeon to be a teacher or a nurse, but the quality of both of those has a huge impact on our most vulnerable people. Increasing salary allows for selection of the top talent.
Teachers, Nurses, Cops, etc don’t require top level intelligence. The difference between a high performer in those fields and a low performer in those fields has nothing to do with top talent’s intelligence like it does in many of the high paying fields. It’s 100% an effort issue.
And it’s my opinion that if you gave these people a 20% raise, you aren’t getting 20% more effort. You get the same damn effort and 2 years later your back to hearing them complain about being underpaid.
The auto workers are the perfect example of this
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:21 pm to JasonDBlaha
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That’s different. Teachers don’t hold the same amount of liability as nurses do. If a nurse fricks up and accidentally gives a toxic dose of a medication to a patient, then that could be the end of the hospital and the nurse would be thrown in jail. That kind of thing has happened several times already.
First off, teachers go to jail every week, we see it on the OT all the time.
Nurses dont get jailed for making a mistake. It would have to be like gross negligence or on purpose. Like serial killer nurses.
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