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Current ACT Thread---some perspective
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:26 pm
I didn't want this to get lost on page 4 of a thread.
Yes it is true that ACT scores has gone down for another year, but they fail to mention that just about every student now takes the ACT at least once a year in school.
So under the old system only kids that were headed to college or athletes that needed a qualifying score took the test. Meaning maybe in some cases 50% took the test one time. Some of those achieved the score they needed the first time and never took it again. Others fall short or need to improve for a better scholarship.
But now every C, D and failing student sits for the test obviously bringing the average down. This includes all the Special ED kids at my wife's high school.
So here is a kid that needs an aid to go to class and he is taking the ACT. He makes a 5 and he offsets the kid who made a 33, so the school averages a 19.
Yes it is true that ACT scores has gone down for another year, but they fail to mention that just about every student now takes the ACT at least once a year in school.
So under the old system only kids that were headed to college or athletes that needed a qualifying score took the test. Meaning maybe in some cases 50% took the test one time. Some of those achieved the score they needed the first time and never took it again. Others fall short or need to improve for a better scholarship.
But now every C, D and failing student sits for the test obviously bringing the average down. This includes all the Special ED kids at my wife's high school.
So here is a kid that needs an aid to go to class and he is taking the ACT. He makes a 5 and he offsets the kid who made a 33, so the school averages a 19.
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:28 pm to tigerterrace
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I didn't want this to get lost on page 4 of a thread.
Yes it is true that ACT scores has gone down for another year, but they fail to mention that just about every student now takes the ACT at least once a year in school.
So under the old system only kids that were headed to college or athletes that needed a qualifying score took the test. Meaning maybe in some cases 50% took the test one time. Some of those achieved the score they needed the first time and never took it again. Others fall short or need to improve for a better scholarship.
But now every C, D and failing student sits for the test obviously bringing the average down. This includes all the Special ED kids at my wife's high school.
So here is a kid that needs an aid to go to class and he is taking the ACT. He makes a 5 and he offsets the kid who made a 33, so the school averages a 19.
Incorrect. The amount of students taking the ACT has decreased also.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:34 pm to tigerterrace
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just about every student now takes the ACT at least once a year in school.
That's not a bright line. The ACT is not mandated. If it were, that would be a bright line.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:37 pm to Zach
I should have said they do in Alabama. So that is the base line they use for college readiness.
I understand that many states might not use that method but that is a lot of kids that should not be tested.
I understand that many states might not use that method but that is a lot of kids that should not be tested.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:43 pm to tigerterrace
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now every C, D and failing student sits for the test obviously bringing the average down. This includes all the Special ED kids
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I should have said they do in Alabama
Oh, that makes sense.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:45 pm to tigerterrace
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I should have said they do in Alabama. So that is the base line they use for college readiness. I understand that many states might not use that method but that is a lot of kids that should not be tested.
Some tests really require school staff to get off their arse.
The National Merit test can get you a lot of scholarship offers if you score high. Most schools leave it up to counseling staff to pick the top prospects at 11th grade and invite them to take the test.
But many schools with maybe a handful of really bright students don't even bother. It's just more work for staff so they don't even let the kids know the test exists.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:57 pm to tigerterrace
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Yes it is true that ACT scores has gone down
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:21 pm to tigerterrace
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but they fail to mention that just about every student now takes the ACT at least once a year in school.
Ive worked in high schools for 15 years. This is not true
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:24 pm to Zach
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The National Merit test can get you a lot of scholarship offers if you score high
Is this the SAT test?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:24 pm to tigerterrace
The only requirement to take the ACT in Alabama are for students in their junior year and they are only required to take it once...
They take some prep tests leading up to it but those are not the ACT...
They take some prep tests leading up to it but those are not the ACT...
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:58 pm to tigersbb
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The National Merit test can get you a lot of scholarship offers if you score high Is this the SAT test?
No. It was called the NMSQT, not sure what it's called now.
SAT is given in every school but many schools didn't bother with the Merit because it's so hard to score 'finalist.'
The reason why you got scholarships automatically was because it was one of the important elements in the college rating system. Not sure today, since ratings are more based on DEI.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:06 pm to tigerterrace
My youngest did her part. 34
Not so subtle parent brag
Not so subtle parent brag
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:07 pm to tigerterrace
quote:You are wrong of course.
But now every C, D and failing student sits for the test obviously bringing the average down. This includes all the Special ED kids at my wife's high school.
But I'll leave you with a graph from the "other thread" and allow you to work out the details.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:13 pm to tigerterrace
every kid at my school took them sophomore year.
this would have been early 2000s
this would have been early 2000s
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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You are wrong of course. But I'll leave you with a graph from the "other thread" and allow you to work out the details.
It's not just test scores to prove young people are getting dumber. It's our every day encounters with them. Just yesterday I bought some smoked sausages at a specialty market with 3 girls (18-21 y.o.) behind the counter.
At checkout one asked: 'Meat pies today?'
Me: 'No, the wife is giving up carbohydrates.'
Her: 'What's that?' The other two turned and wanted to know what carbohydrates were.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:23 pm to Zach
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:50 pm to CoachChappy
Every student in Louisiana has to take the ACT in the spring of their junior year. These scores are factored in the school accountability score. Talk about wasted money. I’ve administered them as a teacher. The ones that knew they weren’t going to college would just mark scores and then put their heads down and sleep until the next section started. So now think how many are not going to college now and how it drags scores down.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:15 pm to The Maj
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The only requirement to take the ACT in Alabama are for students in their junior year and they are only required to take it once...
Who pays for that if it’s required?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:18 pm to tigerterrace
In Kentucky every student in the state is required to take the ACT during their junior year.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:33 pm to tigger4ever
Many states have what must amount to millions of dollars in contracts with ACT for the purchase of ACT and WorkKeys tests.
Some states require almost 100% of high school juniors to take the ACT either with or without the writing section of the test.
Some states only offer the test but do not require students to take it.
More details with links to states’ information in the article.
Which States Require the ACT? Full List and Advice - prepscholat.com
Some states require almost 100% of high school juniors to take the ACT either with or without the writing section of the test.
Some states only offer the test but do not require students to take it.
More details with links to states’ information in the article.
Which States Require the ACT? Full List and Advice - prepscholat.com
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