re: Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

Christ is Lord of all nations.

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Man, I’m really really disappointed you’re simping for the money changers of the world. They’ve financed so many wars, made so many trillions from usury… they’re no better than the sand terrorists.

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The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation.

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So God forced the last 2,000 years of Jews to reject Jesus and spend eternity in Hell for what? To improve the narrative?

Brother if you read that scripture you references in Isaiah 22 and don't see it typifying christs ministry you are seriously seriously throwes off and indoctrinated by the Catholic church. You honestly think that verse has to do with freaking peter? Lol wth

Oh, and Darby's dispensationalism is also a lie straight from the pit, and probably a result of Jesuit influence.

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Man, I’m really really disappointed you’re simping for the money changers of the world. They’ve financed so many wars, made so many trillions from usury… they’re no better than the sand terrorists.

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The history of the Jews throughout the Old Testament and into the New is filled with rebellion, idol worship and all types of abhorrent behaviors.
But that never stopped God from completely abandoning them or writing them off as his people. You make a serious error when you think God will simply not keep his promises to Israel because they are unfaithful.
Heck, if Jesus chose not to save the Gentiles because they were corrupt, none of us would be saved either.

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The Holy Land ultimately belongs to the children of the promise, those who have become children of Abraham by faith, not circumcised in he foreskin of the penis but rather circumcised in the heart by the Spirit of God.

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Except when God talks about his future promises to the Jews, it is usually or always prefaced by, “ the
descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Its specifically talking about a particular people. A race God created out of one man.

Anyone who thinks Peter is the rock (Petra) hasn’t studied scripture


Exodus 17:6

Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb, and you shall strike the rock, and water shall come out of it, and the people will drink.” And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders of Israel.


Exodus 33:21
And the LORD said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, 22 and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen

Numbers 20:8
Take the staff, and assemble the congregation, you and Aaron your brother, and tell the rock before their eyes to yield its water. So you shall bring water out of the rock for them and give drink to the congregation and their cattle.”

Deuteronomy 32:3


For I will proclaim the name of the LORD; ascribe greatness to our God! 4 “The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is h

Deuteronomy 32:15

But Jeshurun grew fat, and kicked; you grew fat, stout, and sleek; then he forsook God who made him and scoffed at the Rock of his salvation.

Deuteronomy 32:18

You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth.

Deuteronomy 32:30
How could one have chased a thousand, and two have put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had given them up? 31 For their rock is not as our Rock;

Deuteronomy 32:37
Then he will say, ‘Where are their gods, the rock in which they took refuge,

1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy like the LORD: for there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.

2 Samuel 22:2-3
He said, “The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, 3 my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my savior; you save me from violence.


2 Samuel 22:32
“For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God? ( who indeed)

2 Samuel 22:47
The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock, and exalted be my God, the rock of my salvation,

2 Samuel 23:3

The God of Israel has spoken; the Rock of Israel has said to me: When one rules justly over men, ruling in the fear of God,

Psalms 18:2

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalms 18:31

For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?—

Psalms 19:14

Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer.

Psalms 42:9

I say to God, my rock: “Why have you forgotten me? Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?”

Psalms 62:2

He alone is my rock and my salvation, my fortress; I shall not be greatly shaken.

Psalms 62:6

He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.


Psalms 78:35
And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

Psalms 89:26

He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation


Psalms 92:15
To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Psalms 91:1

O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

Isaiah 8:14
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Isaiah 17:10

Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips:

Matthew 7:24
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Romans 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


1 Corinthians 10:4

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

1 Peter 2:4-8

To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.



Jesus/God is always referred to as the Rock throughout scripture. It’s is wholly unreasonable to think that in this one instance of scripture that God somehow relegated the title of Rock onto Peter.

Ephesians 2:19
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,
21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.

It can’t be worded any clearer than this

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Then if that is you're understanding you need to re read Romans and learn how we have become children of Abraham in God's eyes by the righteousness which comes by faith... And how the promises are ultimately for those faithful sons... You missed it, probably because your church tradition and the people you allow to regurgitate that stuff to you are in he pulpit

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I’ve read Romans countless times. The Bible doesn’t say that the Gentiles replaced the Jews.
Answer me this. Are Gentiles the defendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob?


Romans 11: 25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,


Notice the distinction the scripture puts here between the Gentiles and the Jews. If indeed the Gentiles have become the new Jews as you claim, why does the scripture still refer to them as two separate entities?
This is in Romans by the way.

Yes, in two ways are the nations, the gentiles, also descendants of Abraham. Physically, quite obvious, because the LORD has literally made the descendants of Abraham as the sand of the seashore in that he is the father of the twelves nations that came from Ishmael, who eventually would mix with the other nations, as well as the Jews who intermingled with the nations...

and spiritually, as those who have found like faith as Abraham are now children of Abraham according to the promise and inheritors of the same promise that we would also be blessed in all things like faithful Abraham... Have you not understood the scriptures?