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Pelicans’ Brandon Ingram faces his toughest opponent: himself
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:37 pm
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Green’s main priority was to stabilize an organization that was on the brink of disaster. To do so, he knew he needed to accomplish one thing that Van Gundy, in particular, could not. He needed to break through Ingram’s outer shell.
Green had heard stories about Ingram’s quiet manner. He knew getting Ingram to open up wouldn’t be easy, especially considering the upheaval Ingram experienced during his first two years in New Orleans. But the first-time head coach also understood that if he could break through with Ingram, the rest of the team would follow.
“I think those two really understand each other,” Donald says. “Out of all the coaches Brandon has worked with over the years, I think he’s connected to Willie in a different way.”
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Pretty good article from Will Guillory on Ingram and his mental health struggles (seems to be prevalent in the league these days)
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:52 pm to Soggymoss
Reminds me of something from a recent Zion article where Willie said something along the lines of he realized he needed to be more deliberate in building a relationship with Zion.
Hopefully Willie is finding out what he needs to in order to push the right button on these guys.
Hopefully Willie is finding out what he needs to in order to push the right button on these guys.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:00 pm to Soggymoss
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“I’ve heard so much since I was younger that you’ve got to man up and you can’t show emotions. But I think people should know that it don’t have to be like that. There are still times when I carry myself like I’m emotionless. But there are times when you have to look yourself in the mirror and get it all out of your system.”
I wish this was a more common conversation.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Sorta related and not at all surprising but there was a thread on the OT just today asking if posters make their kids wear helmets when riding their bikes, and 1 poster replied very seriously and stated he never made his kids wear helmets because he didn't want them to be pussies and they'd grown up strong if they didn't wear helmets.
“I’ve heard so much since I was younger that you’ve got to man up and you can’t show emotions. But I think people should know that it don’t have to be like that. There are still times when I carry myself like I’m emotionless. But there are times when you have to look yourself in the mirror and get it all out of your system.”
That mentality is part of the problem with this topic.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:13 pm to Soggymoss
The NBA is absolutely loaded...with players that have VERY fragile egos. I'm constantly amazed that so many of the absolute best players that play/played in the NBA could suffer with this problem. Fairly easy to spot.
Disclaimer: I admit I'm not an authority on this particular subject...but..."I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night"...(about 20 years ago)
Disclaimer: I admit I'm not an authority on this particular subject...but..."I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night"...(about 20 years ago)
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:28 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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I'm constantly amazed that so many of the absolute best players that play/played in the NBA could suffer with this problem
Oh you mean NBA players are just like every other normal human being? Why is their suffering any different than you or I's suffering? Just because they play in the NBA doesn't mean their not allowed to feel these things.
Life is hard bro.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:35 pm to Bonkers119
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Oh you mean NBA players are just like every other normal human being? Why is their suffering any different than you or I's suffering? Just because they play in the NBA doesn't mean their not allowed to feel these things.
Life is hard bro.
What I find "amazing" is the fact that so many of the absolute top athletes in the known universe, in one sport or another...would so often have such fragile egos...when their performance is questioned by somebody else who has nowhere near...that level of talent.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:48 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Dinky,
I believe he said expectations for himself, that is far different than expectations of others. I agree, whether in sports or life, that judging yourself by other's expectations, in the long run, is not as productive as judging yourself by a self-standard, given that the self-standard is high. I think your dealing with perfectionists that litter life/sports at elite levels (that's how they got there).
I believe he said expectations for himself, that is far different than expectations of others. I agree, whether in sports or life, that judging yourself by other's expectations, in the long run, is not as productive as judging yourself by a self-standard, given that the self-standard is high. I think your dealing with perfectionists that litter life/sports at elite levels (that's how they got there).
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
Who says you can’t show emotions?
Is he confusing all emotional scenarios with just the one where we say “suck it the frick up”?
If you think it’s ok to show the opponent you’re vulnerable or weak, then I don’t know what to say. I’m amazed you’ve made it to this point in your career being so fragile.
No one is saying you have to live life as if you’re playing a basketball game at all times and you should just suck it the frick up in every scenario.
Maybe he doesn’t know how to separate work life with home life, which is a common problem for many.
And maybe he should have kids as it changes your perspective on many things, or maybe be a part of the one kids life he does have.
Is he confusing all emotional scenarios with just the one where we say “suck it the frick up”?
If you think it’s ok to show the opponent you’re vulnerable or weak, then I don’t know what to say. I’m amazed you’ve made it to this point in your career being so fragile.
No one is saying you have to live life as if you’re playing a basketball game at all times and you should just suck it the frick up in every scenario.
Maybe he doesn’t know how to separate work life with home life, which is a common problem for many.
And maybe he should have kids as it changes your perspective on many things, or maybe be a part of the one kids life he does have.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
Jfc teddy. You've lost the plot.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:07 pm to Pistol44
My post wasn't suppose to be about any particular player...just a general statement on fantastically talented individuals, who seem to be overly-reactive to outside criticism. Poor job on my part.
But...to be specific, I often use LeBron James, maybe the greatest player to ever play the game...and yet the guy is constantly over-reacting to some comment by some clown that usually doesn't know what he's talking about. I just NEVER understood why he does that...but LeBron has some kinda "something" deep inside him...that makes him feel the need to respond to just about every comment he deems to be the slightest bit negative about any aspect of his game. THAT GUY IS JUST WEIRD...and has been from day one.
And there are a whole bunch of other supreme athletes that seem to be very much like LeBron...in that respect.
But...to be specific, I often use LeBron James, maybe the greatest player to ever play the game...and yet the guy is constantly over-reacting to some comment by some clown that usually doesn't know what he's talking about. I just NEVER understood why he does that...but LeBron has some kinda "something" deep inside him...that makes him feel the need to respond to just about every comment he deems to be the slightest bit negative about any aspect of his game. THAT GUY IS JUST WEIRD...and has been from day one.
And there are a whole bunch of other supreme athletes that seem to be very much like LeBron...in that respect.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:
Jfc teddy. You've lost the plot.
Not surprising.
I’m terrible at reading comprehension.
Explain to me what he means.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
He just means that he was raised to not show emotions, and that even though he carries himself like that at times, he realizes it's ok to look at himself in the mirror and let go.
And his son is at every home game, I know you didn't see that because you may not have the Athletic, but hes very involved in his sons life.
And his son is at every home game, I know you didn't see that because you may not have the Athletic, but hes very involved in his sons life.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:29 pm to whatiknowsofar
Well that’s good. The one thing I could find about his son made it sound like BI isn’t involved much.
I get that. What does that have to do with playing basketball?
quote:
He just means that he was raised to not show emotions, and that even though he carries himself like that at times, he realizes it's ok to look at himself in the mirror and let go.
I get that. What does that have to do with playing basketball?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What does that have to do with playing basketball?
Uhhhh everything? You can't perform as one of the best at anything if your mental health suffers.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
i'm getting a bit tired of mental health being the fricking excuse card played constantly. You play basketball, your career earnings are in the hundreds of millions. Get over it already.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:47 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Kanye West is really rich.
i'm getting a bit tired of mental health being the fricking excuse card played constantly. You play basketball, your career earnings are in the hundreds of millions. Get over it already.
Chad thinks Kanye West is mentally stable....because he has money.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:59 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:
Uhhhh everything? You can't perform as one of the best at anything if your mental health suffers.
I have no idea what this means, and how what he said pertains to struggling on the basketball court.
Tell me again why his mental health is suffering? B/c he was taught to be emotionless growing up? What specifically is he struggling with off the court with his mental health?
I’m not trying to be a dick, I’d like to get a better understanding of what obviously some of you see and agree with here, as I simply don’t know what the hell is going on or what the hell it has to do with playing basketball.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:28 pm to Dinky Mulberry
For sure Dinky, but LeDrama has already appointed himself as the King, so his only battles are proving his detractors wrong.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:31 pm to Pistol44
Always fun when message board posters tell athletes how emotional they should or shouldn't be.
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