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Japan for a first timer

Posted on 10/10/23 at 12:52 pm
Posted by slinger1317
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 12:52 pm
Starting to poke around with a trip to Japan. Would be just the wife and myself. We've been abroad before, but never outside of Europe.

Possibly Easter 2024 as it coincides with the blooming cherry blossoms. We could go at another time, as I am worried late March would still be a little gloomy? Good weather is more important than cherry blossoms.

Would probably be in country around 10 days.

Best city to fly in/out? I assume Tokyo, and I see they have 2 major airports. We usually spend 2-3 nights in a location and move along, and we are accustomed to full days and short rest. Mostly looking to see the sites and see the countryside. Maybe Tokyo, Kyoto and one more major area?

We are going in totally blind on this other than about a half day of Google research so far.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:27 pm to
Consider mid-May as the Sumo basho tournament will be in Tokyo between May 14-28. Japanese baseball will be well into the season as well.

After that, I'd consider autumn for a trip to Japan.


Depending on how long you take, common first time trips include:

Tokyo
Kyoto
Osaka
Nara
Hakone
Hiroshima
Nikko
Kamakura


After that you start getting more into the countryside and onsen towns. Any Google search will turn up those options.

I'm heading there in April for first time after my 2020 trip had to be cancelled.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 1:33 pm
Posted by keakdasneak
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:35 pm to
For me if you're going to Japan for one time in your life, Kyoto is way more of a can't miss than Tokyo.

Possible controversial opinion but for a 10 day trip, I'd say skip Tokyo and do Osaka and Kyoto.

If you feel like you need a third place, I'd say Hiroshima over Tokyo.

Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:07 pm to
It seems Tokyo is like Madrid. You go there and spend a night then go on to what really interests you.
Posted by keakdasneak
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

It seems Tokyo is like Madrid. You go there and spend a night then go on to what really interests you.



I think going to Japan in and of itself is an overwhelming experience and then Tokyo is several magnitudes more overwhelming. And it's so expansive that you can spend a lot of time on trains just to get back and forth to places.

I think it's worth going, it's just its own trip. And I think you can have a very similar experience in Osaka while being close to Kyoto. In fact I had more fun in Osaka than in Tokyo.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 2:46 pm
Posted by Vrai
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 3:19 pm to
Hard to pass up Tokyo, it's just sensory overload.

I went for 12 days in 2019. Flew into Narita, spent 3 days in Tokyo, day and a half at Mt. Fuji, 3 days in Kyoto, and 4 days in Osaka. Flew home from Osaka.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 3:42 pm to
Don't worry at all about getting in and navigating either Airport. Narita (NRT) is to the north, and is about 90 minutes by bus. Haneda (HND) is *in* Tokyo, and is a 15 minute or so train ride to Shinagawa station, where a lot of the bullet trains leave from. Which one you fly into will probably be dictated by the flight schedule. As I recall, most of the Star Alliance flights (ETA, into Haneda) landed way too early for my tastes. My tactic is to get on the plane, and set my watch to Japan time. I do not sleep on the place if it is after about 9:30AM in Tokyo (always in coach). I would land around 3PM at Narita. I took the bus to the hotel, and unpacked, and finally let myself pass out after 7PM. The first morning, I would always wake up 3-4AM, but then I was fully adjusted.

When you're exploring Tokyo, I suggest you not leave your hotel and approach a train station during the morning commute, it is a total madhouse.

Japan is a place were you need to be very polite As in, if there is a sign saying that talking on a cell phone is not permitted, respect it. When you're walking around, if you need to look at a map, step out of the flow of people. When you're going to go to a train station, find a map of the station to orient yourself with where the ticket machines are, etc.

When you get there, find the closest Lawson's or 7-11, and get a "Suica card." It's reloadable and used for transport, and tons of other things. A fair bit of the Japanese, particularly under 40 in the metro areas *can* read English, they just can't understand it very well when spoken. Use Google Maps in Japan, it labels things in both Japanese and English. You can eat very well out of convenience stores and grocery stores.

Abuse your hotel concierge. They can write out addresses in Japanese for cab drivers, etc. Cabs are expensive, and the doors are opened by the driver, not by you.

Keep in mind the cherry blossoms pop in different cities depending on the latitude. Tokyo is kind of in a bowl, which makes it unbearably hot in the summer, but I seem to remember plenty of sun. April usually has a good bit less rain than the winter months.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 5:38 pm to
quote:

Kyoto is way more of a can't miss than Tokyo.


I was in Tokyo for all of 3 nights this spring. And I'll agree with this statement. The day spent on the bullet train to Kyoto and back was the best day, by far. I ended up walking about 12 miles between a whole lot of shrines and liked the philosopher's path between the shrines more than the shrines themselves (very cool too). Excellent day.

quote:

When you get there, find the closest Lawson's or 7-11
- LemmyLives

Yeah, I'm not a foodie and had limited time, so I ate out of 7-11's and food stands next to shrines.

In Tokyo a walk along the Imperial Palace grounds is time well spent. And I'll give a plug to my hotel - Hotel Marunouchi which is extremely convenient for rail travel. Heh, the price has doubled since I was there but it was still the tail end of covid and there were fewer travelers.
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 7:27 pm to
I spent a week there and loved everything about it. People are great. Stayed in Tokyo and did day trips to Kamakura, Mt. Fuji, Yokohama and hiked a little in the mountains near Fuji. Never felt unsafe walking around the city at night.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13571 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 3:36 pm to
I think you can eat just about anywhere because the Japanese typically have extreme pride in their work. I don't do fish, so I was limited, and ate a ton of stuff like chicken Yakitori (grilled chicken on a stick.) Also, when you're shopping for snacks in a convenience store for a quick lunch or snack, pay close attention to what things are flavored like (they'll put a picture on a bag of chips to tell you what you're going to get.) Why would anyone make squid flavored crackers, you will find yourself wondering. Also, marvel at the volume of cold coffee available.

Your mention of the palace grounds reminds me of something extremely important: not everywhere has western style toilets, so it's squat over a porcelain lined hole. Also, if you venture back into the "warrens" of a neighborhood to find food and drink, the places are very, very small. There may be one shared toilet for half of a building.

If you have kids, and do hit Tokyo, there is a giant 7 or 8 story toy store, with each floor devoted to something different. Your concierge will know exactly which store it is.

Oh, and pay attention when you're walking anywhere in a city. You'll find tiny shrines to various things 15' down an alleyway, or in other unexpected places.

At least in Tokyo, when bars close at the end of the night, public transport and most cabs do too. It felt like waking up in 28 Days Later compared to the hustle and bustle that was present when the co-workers and I walked into the Izakaya (stand up bar, they usually serve the equivalent of tapas.)
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:02 am to
Japan feels safe. There's not a lot of signs in English. You can get around with Google Maps. The subway system in Tokyo is nuts. Learn the colors.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 5:59 am
Posted by St. Pete Tiger
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 5:04 am to
Good advice in this thread. Don’t skip Tokyo. Fun city.

Osaka and Kyoto are on list too.

Easy to get around even with language barrier
Posted by BootheelSoldier
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:40 pm to
Spent 10 days between Tokyo and Kyoto. I think Tokyo is a must see for a first time. It’s a different animal. Worth spending 3 days there anyways. I was surprised by the language barrier. The subway is great but will be packed all hours of the day and takes some time to get it figured out. A lot of neat things to see/do. I stayed in Ginza at the Millenium Mitsui and it was nice. Had a subway terminal directly out the front door. If I went back I would probably stay in the Shinjuku area for a more lively area.
Kyoto was really cool. A lot slower pace and tons of stuff to see/do. Take the bullet train from Tokyo to Kyoto. Gives you a good view of Fuji on the way. Stayed at the Dhawa Yura and would recommend. Great location.

Hit up Kabuki Theater in either city. Tsukiji Market in Tokyo. Nishiki Market in Kyoto.

Any questions just ask.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9034 posts
Posted on 10/17/23 at 5:49 pm to
Lived in Tokyo for six years. Want to see a foreign land? Land in Seattle after being out country for six years. Coming back, I was on a cargo flight. Sat in the cockpit for about four hours. Twelve hour flight.
We went everywhere, ate and did everything. In our group, one kid’s Dad was an embassy dignitary. Larry spoke fluent Japanese, made life a lot easier. Everyone is spot on.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17458 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:27 am to
Wife and I spent 15 days in Japan in early April. A few days were for work so the timing lines up with you trip.

If you time the cherry blossoms right, the weather will be perfect so don’t worry about that. Will be a bit more crowded. Especially in Kyoto.

We flew into Narita and spent 3 or 4 days in Tokyo. From there went to Hakone region for relaxation/onsens. Kyoto for another 4 days after that. Then the work portion started.

I’m glad we did it that way. I have plenty more recs in specific things to do or stay if needed. Check out Mario Kart in Tokyo.
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
1336 posts
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:51 am to
Bring plenty of money. Remember Tokyo is sectioned off by districts so each is a bit different. Sunday in Yoyogi park is an experience. Asakusa with the big shinto gates is amazing as well. I would also make a subway stop to Shibuya station to see the dog and famous crosswalk.

I would take the train everywhere in Japan. Down to see the big Buddah in Kamakura. Further down to see Fuji-san and then to Nagasaki or Hiroshima. They're both nice.

The best thing about Japan is if you need help, you can usually find someone to help you out. Usually a youngish college age person is more than happy to try out their Engrish with you. It's incredibly safe and the people are pleasant as long as you're respectful and act civil. Remember your phone can now translate about everything either by photo or by sound.

Bring 3x the money you think you will need and have room to spend even more than that.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128036 posts
Posted on 10/19/23 at 9:15 am to
Japan is my #1 future destination, but the travel/time zone and the language barrier are both incredibly daunting to me
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13571 posts
Posted on 10/19/23 at 11:18 am to
Language isn't the barrier you think it is. Japan is where I learned how to point at menus as a kid, and that was the 80s. These days, with real time translation apps on phones, it's a non factor. The last few years I've been, I've only had to use translation tools on business documents. You need to learn very few words by heart:

Gaijin-When you hear this, that means the Japanese are referring to you
Sumimasen-Excuse me, (I need more beer)
Arigato Gozimas-Thank You


There are direct flights from Houston, usually clocking in under 12 hours flying west.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128036 posts
Posted on 10/19/23 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Gaijin-When you hear this, that means the Japanese are referring to you



Yeah, I know this one
Posted by LC412000
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 10/19/23 at 11:39 am to
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slinger1317


We are flying out to Seoul at the end of February 2024, spending a week, then flying to Beijing for four days and then to Japan and staying until April 5th.

Have to be honest in that although we travel quite often overseas for fun, putting this trip together has been sensory overload. I am thinking age is catching up with us

We will spend four days in Kyoto and four days in Tokyo with the rest of March spread out in Japan. We are staying in a few ryokan during our visit. I have told kids and grandkids I will set up camera towards the bed on the floor. Not so they can see the old people having sex, but to watch us trying to get off the floor every morning

Have fun with your trip planning!!! It should be an awesome trip
This post was edited on 10/19/23 at 11:47 am
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