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re: Re: Gaetz: What is the worst thing that can happen if the govt isnt funded?
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:38 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:38 pm to BamaGradinTn
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For starters, in every shutdown we've had voters always blame Republicans more than Democrats.
Exactly
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:40 pm to FearlessFreep
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is there really that much of a difference?
Yes
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:41 pm to BuckyCheese
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She very nearly lost in a year there was supposed to be a red wave while being in a red district.
Yeah. How is she going to promote a "conservative agenda" by letting a DEM win her district?
She's sub-3 digit IQ and even she understood that she couldn't be part of Gaetz's dog and pony show anymore
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:42 pm to WizardSleeve
Budget hawks have been saying that spending and debt are out of control since I was born. Nothing dire ever really happens because It’s just a political weapon in reality. Every nation Carrie’s debt. Conservatives don’t like it, but it’s not anything near disastrous. Government is not, contrary to some opinions, designed or intended to run like a business. The idea is inherently contradictory. Citizens in general dgas about this stuff, if we’re being honest.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:44 pm to VOR
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Budget hawks have been saying that spending and debt are out of control since I was born. Nothing dire ever really happens because It’s just a political weapon in reality. Every nation Carrie’s debt. Conservatives don’t like it, but it’s not anything near disastrous
Go look at the projections of our interest payments over the next 20-30 years and compare to reasonable GDP growth
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:48 pm to BamaGradinTn
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It's easy to say we need to shut down when you won't be suffering the consequences.
At the rate our debt and interest payments are growing, we’ll all be suffering the consequences, shut down or not.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:37 pm to WizardSleeve
Do you think Gaetz truly gives 2 fricks about this? Republicans and even Democrats have been railing about this for 40 years. Neither side has been truly serious about this then or now, Gaetz included.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:20 pm to KiwiHead
Are you willing to let our military members go without a paycheck? That's what happens when the government shuts down. How about actually start doing their fricking job, instead of trying to grandstand every minute of the day. Gaetz probably hasn't done one thing since he took office that actually resembled his job. He spends most of his day dreaming up the next zinger he can get more clicks from.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:26 pm to AirbusDawg
My point exactly. The debt stuff is all just theater
Posted on 10/6/23 at 12:40 am to TDTOM
quote:Not even close. You think the government hasn't shut down before?
Constitutional Crisis.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 12:43 am to Figgy
quote:This would not happen in other countries that value family. The elderly are taken care of by their family.
Grandmas eat dog food for dinner just like they did in the 90s. Probably Alpo or Ol’ Roy because they can’t splurge and get Blue Buffalo with inflation being what it is.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 3:56 am to VOR
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Budget hawks have been saying that spending and debt are out of control since I was born. Nothing dire ever really happens because It’s just a political weapon in reality.
Over 9 percent inflation is pretty fricking dire
Posted on 10/6/23 at 4:44 am to HubbaBubba
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This would not happen in other countries that value family. The elderly are taken care of by their family.
Not sure what argument is being made here. Other countries have nothing to do with shutdown. What about the elderly that lost their family in "other countries"?
The shutdown puts temporary pain on many govt, medical and military personnel that are considered essential. The essential employees still go to work with no pay (temporary) while the non essential get the same treatment, only they get to sit at home and do nothing, and still get reimbursed as the essential. Not a good reflection of any "benefit" to shutdown. I'm all for govt limitations, but shutdowns are just for show as said above. The actual impacts are that planning operations and training for something such as DOI forest management get canceled. Then, wildfires, because lack of management and training. Enjoy your win, I guess.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 5:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Do you ever get tired of arguing the ridiculous point that “if we don’t compromise at every turn and give the democrats everything they want we won’t stand a chance at beating them.”
Every thread you’re in you constantly argue that conservatives should just be quiet and give in to every demand and sacrifice every principle and compromise every stance because if we stand firm on anything we risk losing the ability to compromise on everything.
It’s exhausting to read your posts and it’s just sad.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:02 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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ATC is essential, so they would continue to work during a shutdown
How long would you keep going to work without getting paid?
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But
why is air traffic control a federal function?
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After the 1956 Grand Canyon mid-air collision, killing all 128 on board, the FAA was given the air-traffic responsibility over the United States in 1958,
To try and prevent more shite like this from happening.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:21 am to Breesus
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Do you ever get tired of arguing the ridiculous point that “if we don’t compromise at every turn and give the democrats everything they want we won’t stand a chance at beating them.”
I wouldn't know because I haven't argued that.
The GOP is weak right now. MAGA makes it weaker. You can't win the fight right now and you risk helping the DEMs because.
The GOP needs to regroup and come up with smart strategy and not virtue signaling followed by sky screaming when the virtue signaling doesn't create tactile results.
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conservatives should just be quiet and give in to every demand
You miss the point entirely. Right now it's about slowing down the DEMs because victory is impossible. That doesn't mean you give in to "every" demand. But the DEMs are a lot stronger right now. Reality dictates they will get more while they have this side of the power struggle.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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For starters, in every shutdown we've had voters always blame Republicans more than Democrats due to the MSM (Lying media) propaganda!!
Exactly.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:43 am to Timeoday
Oh man, you added the fact that the DEMs invested in the media decades ago and now its an institution they can rely on. That changes the argument ENTIRELY. 
Posted on 10/6/23 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Thank you for proving my point
Posted on 10/6/23 at 8:57 am to Diamondawg
quote:up vote4 down vote32
2024 cake walk for the dems.
You folks need to learn to read the room. There were 8 Rs and 208 Ds that voted to vacate. That's a win for the Ds and the Rs got snookered. The MSM is state owned. Government shut down will 100% fall to the Rs in 2024.
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