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Re: Gaetz: What is the worst thing that can happen if the govt isnt funded?

Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:05 pm
Posted by WizardSleeve
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2011
1800 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:05 pm
What I like about what Gaetz did was that it was mainly a consequence for the former speaker not keeping promises on things like single-subject bills, adequate review period prior to votes, etc. Basically actions that work towards draining the swamp and shrinking government, reducing waste and fraud and corruption. It is a very principled stance that I think most Americans agree with.

The other side of the republican caucus is arguing that you have to compromise to get things done. A dem senate and executive branch means if want any bill passed it has to be a compromise with them, including bills that fund government at a minimum.

Ive been thinking about this today and not sure how to answer it: If Gaetz had his way and the House had a speaker that only voted on and passed very conservative bills that shrink government and shrink spending dramatically, bills the dems will not support and pass in the senate, the government would naturally shut down. But then so what? Doesnt this mean the minority republicans in the house hold all the cards? Do conservatives care if the government isnt funded? Is that better than out of control debt and spending? Help me understand why we shouldn't threaten to shut down the government in order to get very conservative-friendly bills passed, like a budget for starters.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 5:07 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17841 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:07 pm to
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Re: Gaetz: What is the worst thing that can happen if the govt isnt funded?

It'll be worse than Covid, racism and even climate change.

Maybe even worse than all 3 combined!

We're talking existential threat.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45715 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:10 pm to
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
9894 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:12 pm to
Truth of the matter is less government means a better America, Making America Great Again!!
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19353 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:12 pm to
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What is the worst thing that can happen if the govt isnt funded?


We save pocket change and everything keeps on rolling like it always has?
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62389 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:16 pm to
We’ve been funding everything without a budget, on Emergency CR spending where everyone throws in all their projects and it gets rubber stamped, and all the special interests that get that money, use it to pay off their Congressmen for the next payouts… 33+ trillion, and they will use responsible Americans that work every day and save, to pay it all off with higher taxes and robbing their retirement savings, while also stealing their Social Security…. Sit back and watch….
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 5:17 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
78941 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:33 pm to
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Gaetz


And Rep Luna already were going to forgo their checks.

Weird how no one else mentioned that. Hmmm
Posted by H newman
Member since Oct 2021
1175 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:38 pm to
Exactly
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32214 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:39 pm to
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What is the worst thing that can happen if the govt isnt funded?
2024 cake walk for the dems.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6143 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:44 pm to
If the gang of 8 is solid then either

A. A speaker who agrees to their more than reasonable terms will stand tall or
B. We see rinos cross the isle to their true constituents, thereby ending the Republican Party.

If A,
Then we have a speaker who will be willing to shutdown the government, probably only 15%, but it’s time to force it down McConnells throat. Fuk future elections, the time to take a stand is now or never.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
14337 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:45 pm to
Constitutional Crisis.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6143 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:47 pm to
So status quo

All the little snowflakes campaign with commercials to “shake up Washington”, then when it happens they become scared little bitches
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
10945 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:50 pm to
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Help me understand why we shouldn't threaten to shut down the government in order to get very conservative-friendly bills passed, like a budget for starters.


We should, the pedocrats want the whole world to bend to their will.

Screw them, enough is enough.

Shut It Down!

Posted by A12 Oxcart
On the float out in the Belt
Member since Dec 2022
294 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:52 pm to
Groomer Gaetz loses out on some interns?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
29958 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:15 pm to
Is this the situation wherein the credit for U.S. borrowing does something less than ideal?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421901 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:18 pm to
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But then so what?

Purple district Republicans across the country would lose and the DEMs would have a huge majority in the House.

Victory?
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6143 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:20 pm to
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
8479 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:22 pm to
The reason the DC crowd hates the shutdown is because it forces them to have to listen to the people. We are the master and they know it.

Congress is like the child that threatens suicide if it does not get its way.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421901 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:23 pm to
quote:

A. A speaker who agrees to their more than reasonable terms will stand tall

And? Then what?

quote:

B. We see rinos cross the isle to their true constituents,

I imagine many will face heat from their actual constituents, the voters who elected them.

Lots of posters on this board pretend every GOP seat is a GOP+20 seat.

I mean shite, Boebert would likely be ousted if a shutdown lasts long enough (or, maybe if it just happens)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421901 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:24 pm to
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So are you for or against more DEMs in the House?

Just to avoid snipers. I am against more DEMs in the House
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 6:25 pm
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