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re: Gaetz broke the GOP establishment lineage. That's why they are lashing out.

Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:01 am to
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73784 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:01 am to
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The Republicans can’t be mad about what happened either because sitting on their arse as the majority and breaking promises of what would be done by them is why they are often relegated to minority status.


bingo
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
5170 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:04 am to
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How many elections have been won by Republicans by shutting down the government?
.

Some are less interested in winning he next elections, and more interested in avoiding economic collapse
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
4470 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:07 am to
Donald Trump endorsed two of these people to be Speaker of the House.

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@redsteeze
See this one going around but a reminder that the plot of Young Guns was a group of pistoleers welcoming in a sociopathic outsider who eventually took over as their leader and resulted in everyone getting killed.




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@redsteeze
Ironically Young Guns 2 was about that same sociopath leading a new group of followers and former hanger ons by saying "this time I will really do what I promised" and then getting everyone killed.
Posted by Cousincleetus
Frisco, TX
Member since Feb 2015
120 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:17 am to
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People are lashing out because this helps Democrats


Ridding someone who isn't willing to fight at the negotiation table for the conservative demands is helping the democrats? I don't see it. I think ousting someone who bends knee to the other side for paltry "wins" is a good thing.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119559 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:24 am to
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Donald Trump endorsed two of these people to be Speaker of the House.



You mean MAGA Trump supporters do not agree with Trump on everything? How does this fit with the Cult45 narrative?
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
4470 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:29 am to
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How does this fit with the Cult45 narrative?



Trump has a long long history of being very friendly with the establishment. Endorsed Ryan and McCarthy. Hired Mitch's wife...

But for some reason he's still hailed as the hero we need to fight the people he seemed to prefer.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57517 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:11 pm to
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Who the frick cares who wins elections if the result spending at a 2T deficit?
Clearly the voters don't care. THAT is what needs to change.

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Do you just get some sort of satisfaction out of pretending you won?
Da fuq you infer that?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57517 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:16 pm to
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Your premise is false. It's both parties shutting down the government and the GOP getting most of the blame because of the media.
Are you sure my premise is false, you seem to support it.


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The GOP won in 2009, 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2022
Are you sure they "won"? How much was the budget cut? How was their agenda advanced? And Republicans GREATLY underperformed in 2022.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20868 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:18 pm to
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Are we just going to memory hole his endorsement of McCarthy?


Of course they are.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15561 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:30 pm to
100%

Gaetz is Nagasaki

Trump as speaker would be Hiroshima
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45973 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:35 pm to
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The shock is realizing that Jim Jordan is a Trey Gowdy
Known for several years. He's worse. He like the love child of Howdy-Doody and Jason Chaffetz.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119559 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:36 pm to
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But for some reason he's still hailed as the hero we need to fight the people he seemed to prefer.




Because he listens to his MAGA base. We do not always agree(like the vaccine and McCarthy) but errs on the side of the MAGA base and the MAGA base realizes that inconsequential establishment concessions are needed to get the bigger picture MAGA priorities moving (like secure borders, no war, trade reciprocity, good judges, lower taxes, lower regulations, etc.).
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119559 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:37 pm to
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Gaetz is Nagasaki

Trump as speaker would be Hiroshima

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119559 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:40 pm to
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Your premise is false. It's both parties shutting down the government and the GOP getting most of the blame because of the media.

Are you sure my premise is false, you seem to support it.




"Blame" and the "reason" are two different things.

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The GOP won in 2009, 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2022
Are you sure they "won"? How much was the budget cut? How was their agenda advanced? And Republicans GREATLY underperformed in 2022.



Well exactly. After winning the GOP did nothing. Even after taking the House in 2022 McCarthy CONTINUED to do things the DC way which is tantamount to nothing. Just pass CRs to a bloated federal budget.

THAT. IS. WHY. MCCARTHY. IS. GONE.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18311 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:45 pm to
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Now the ronbots are simping for Kevin

Some are. Some Magtards are, too. But a lot of Ronbots just want to make sure it's not forgotten that McCarthy was Trump's man.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:46 pm to
Ironic Republicans think they should run a country when they can't even keep their own party on the same page.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63572 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:47 pm to
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False. People are lashing out because this helps Democrats. That's why ALL of them voted FOR this.




I just want to be clear, I assume anyone defending McCarthy implicitly approves of his performance as speaker. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:49 pm to
Ironic Democrats think they should run a country when they can't even define what a woman is...
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101999 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:50 pm to
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Clearly the voters don't care. THAT is what needs to change.


How can you outright declare this is not some step in the direction of doing that?

I mean, I’m not outright declaring that it is, but I do know there was nothing else anyone was doing that seemed to be pushing things in that direction, which is why I don’t understand being 100% outright dismissive of something that at least seems to be trying. The idea that one can declare that this will somehow absolutely make things worse seems the least credible position at this point, given what we know and have historically seen.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56945 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:51 pm to
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Clearly the voters don't care. THAT is what needs to change.


What do you think the populist movement is? FFS.

You oppose it at every turn.
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